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Manziel Not Impressing


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jimmy clausen was the starter over cam at the beginning of the 2011 preseason. All this is irrelevant until the season starts.

 

This.  Cam looked like poo during the preseason of his rookie season and it honestly looked like we might be looking at starting the season with Jimmy at QB again.  Cam proceeded to throw for 400+ yards in his first two regular season games.

 

I'm not saying Manziel will replicated that success, I'm just saying that you can't judge too much right now either positively or negatively.

 

Am I the only one who finds it weird that Panthers fans seem so defensive regarding other young QBs in the league?  We finally have a franchise QB folks!  Embrace that!  Who cares about the other guys?

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coming into 2012, nobody had Manziel the favorite to be aTm's new QB. for ex, here is how one analyst broke down aTm's options at QB in the 2012 preseason:

"Gone is Ryan Tannehill to the NFL, and now it’ll be a bit of a fight for the starting job ... A quarterback has to emerge... (there are) four different options, led by sophomore Jameill Showers ... It’ll be a race for the starting quarterback job..led by big-armed sophomore Jameill Showers. ... While the job is still supposedly open, it’ll be a shocker if sophomore Jameill Showers isn’t the main man and a statistical superstar. The 6-2, 219-pounder has speed with excellent running skills,..with a live, accurate arm. ... he has the strongest gun of all the options and can do a little bit of everything. He’ll make his share of mistakes, but the upside is limitless

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(#2) Deep in the hunt for the starting gig is sophomore Matt Joekel, a 6-4, 234-pound pure pocket passer who’s in the perfect system for his skills. Expected to be the No. 2 man last year, he was passed up in the pecking order by Showers.

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(#3) Deep in the hunt for the job will be 6-1, 200-pound redshirt freshman Johnny Manziel, a baller with great athleticism and upside. A dangerous runner who’ll make defenses have to always worry about the big play on the ground, he’s an elite talent who could step in for a few plays here and there as part of a package, but he’s not all that big a passer and he’s more of a short-to-midrange passer than a bomber. If he doesn’t see time as a quarterback he could easily move to wide receiver.

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(#4) true freshman Matt Davis , a 6-2, 202-pound dual-threat passer who was Scout’s sixth-ranked quarterback. He could’ve gone anywhere and was given the hardcore push from all the SEC big boys even after missing his junior season with a knee injury. He came back roaring running for 1,427 yards and 22 scores while throwing for 1,393 yards and 14 touchdowns. Accuracy is a bit of an issue, but he’s too dangerous to not be groomed as the main man for the near-future. Watch out for Davis. He might end up redshirting because Showers appears to have an edge for the gig, but he’s an elite talent and personality who has the upside and potential to be the face of the franchise.

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The issue won’t be settled until late this summer, but Showers will probably be the main man."

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