Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Gerald McCoy Best DT in NFL?


Plewis

Recommended Posts

Top Five, not best.

There's still Suh, Ngata, Watt, Hatcher, Atkins, Wilfork, Wilkerson, etc.

Just strictly looking at 4-3 DTs, I would put Atkins #1 when he is healthy and then McCoy.

Hard to really compare a 4-3 DT to a 3-4 NT like Ngata and Wilfork although Ngata does play a lot of DT when Baltimore goes to a 4-3.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And yet, on a 4-3 formation they'd be rushing on the inside.

That's not really the topic of conversation here, lol. Both are listed, by their teams, as DEs. So, when you put them in a list, they are what their position says they are.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think it is most certainly. A 3-4 DE is virtually a DT. To consider them otherwise is like comparing a 3-4 OLB to a 4-3 OLB. A guy like Watt could potentially play DE in a 4-3 but his best numbers have come from destroying guards.

I guess we'll start saying that Richard Sherman is the beast SS, too, because he could play it on another team. Or Ryan Kalil is one of the best Guards, because he can play that. This argument is ridiculous.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess we'll start saying that Richard Sherman is the beast SS, too, because he could play it on another team. Or Ryan Kalil is one of the best Guards, because he can play that. This argument is ridiculous.

so for simplicity sake, we'll stick to 4-3 DT's because thats pretty much what Lovie is referring to.  and mccoy would be considered with Atkins and Suh in the top 3.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

it didnt take star 3 years to develop like it did mccoy

 

Yep.  McCoy gets all the pub because he's been the shiny turd on a line made of farts for the past few years, and also because Tampa craves another Warren Sapp.  I'm not saying he isn't a good player....but he's been the benefactor of a lot of hype.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I’m not mad at Moehrig.  He’s great at what he does.  And to be honest, a lot of my favorite safeties in our history were box-first type guys - Maxie, Minter, Mike Mitchell, Chris Harris…  they’re first and foremost objective was to put people on their backs and coverage was secondary.  There is a place for that.  There is a definite need for that.  Physical guys that set the tone.  So cool, we have that in Moerhig. But what we have lacked for the vast majority of our existence is a true free safety that cleans everything up on the back end.  Sometimes they come in the form of a JOAT, like Peppers.  I think he would be a fantastic compliment to Moehrig’s strengths and weaknesses.  If we don’t go after him, I certainly hope Ransom is given the chance to grow and develop in real-time with real game reps, because what he did in preseason was very encouraging to see.  I hope he can grow into that roaming center fielder with a little bit of an edge to him as an enforcer as well.  He has the tools.  In the meantime, adding Peppers would only help.
    • Option 1 is most likely. Even if he kills it this year, it wouldn't be prudent to rush an extension for one good season. If you have to pay him more because you waited another year, then he earned it. And that's OK. Adjust accordingly. 
    • Cam had the advantage of having a very strong supporting cast his first 2 seasons. Things definitely worsened later on. But those first couple of years can kill a QB. Some never truly recover. If they do recover it takes years, and usually with another team. Trying to learn to be an NFL QB with TEs and WRs that are trying to learn too is a recipe for disaster. Imagine if Cam's rookie season was that 2014 offensive squad. Changes everything! I said it when they moved up in 2023. This team wasn't ready for a rookie QB yet. Anyone that thinks Stroud would have been a lot better is delusional. The correct formula is to build a strong team and then you go get your rookie QB. Not the other way around. BY is going into his third season and we're still trying to put a respectable group of WRs and TEs around him. I think they have the right personnel now. Unfortunately they haven't developed into actual NFL players yet.  This season we should expect consistency and aggressiveness from BY. Mostly for his development but also to DEVELOP his young cast.
×
×
  • Create New...