Dave Gettleman?

[TheRumGone]

Name names, and post contract numbers.  I'm not going to disagree with you, but we need to sort it all out exactly the way they happened.

 

anthony collins T from the benglas. he would have been an upgrade. "The former Bengal was a dominant pass blocker last season, giving up zero sacks, one quarterback hit and 12 quarterback hurries even though Andy Dalton attempted 586 passes."

 

we made a bid on him and lost out.

 

5 years 30 million. 15 guaranteed. 6 million cap hit each year.

 

that's just. 7 million more to play with. Tackles are the most expensive. we could have revamped the line. Possibly even traded a 3rd rounder for someone.

 

 

Don't get me wrong. I think DG is a boss. But i said when the tag happened it would make or break THIS year.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Re: all the 'I'm so sick of the status quo!' rants-

Nippleshorts has done nothing but piss on the status quo since he got here. Fan favorites have been cut, controversial players drafted, etc.

[CharlottePanther]

Im not blaming Gettleman. He has been fine, two years in row he has signed mediocre WRs that have made a impact for us. Ginn last year and Cotchery this year as well as making the good move to trade up for Bene as well as drafting KB which is a monster despite a bad O line. Gman has been great.

There is something strange going on with this team right now. I dont know what but nearly every single player looks so lethargic, Kalil and Keek are playing bad, Star has been non existent. Something more deep is going on here, even on the sidelines before we start getting beat the players just look so out of it. Keek isnt up waking around, Cam and dorsey are just secluded on their bench, Rivera even looks bored (they actually caught him yawning last week on the sidelines against Pitsburgh)

I dont know if the players quit on Rivera or what. Maybe they just plain ole dont want it this year for whatever reason, no reason in particular maybe they just dont feel like playing hard. There is something going on with this team now that is deeper than injuries, deeper than Hardy and deeper than a bad O linen

[imminent rogaine]

There isn't an issue with our WRs so I don't think DG needs to be blamed for that.

Before injuries, we had one of the deepest RB stables in the league...not DG's fault. 

If Hardy could keep his poo straight, we would see no holes in our secondary, we'd have legion of whom 2.0 cleaning up rushed passes and tipped ducks.

 O-line is the only issue I have. I am trusting that he has a grand scheme to load up on talent.

 

Edit: What worries me the most about our newly found defensive holes is that there are now 2 weeks of film that show exactly what to do to mop the floor with us.

[imminent rogaine]

Im not blaming Gettleman. He has been fine, two years in row he has signed mediocre WRs that have made a impact for us. Ginn last year and Cotchery this year as well as making the good move to trade up for Bene as well as drafting KB which is a monster despite a bad O line. Gman has been great.

There is something strange going on with this team right now. I dont know what but nearly every single player looks so lethargic, Kalil and Keek are playing bad, Star has been non existent. Something more deep is going on here, even on the sidelines before we start getting beat the players just look so out of it. Keek isnt up waking around, Cam and dorsey are just secluded on their bench, Rivera even looks bored (they actually caught him yawning last week on the sidelines against Pitsburgh)

I dont know if the players quit on Rivera or what. Maybe they just plain ole dont want it this year for whatever reason, no reason in particular maybe they just dont feel like playing hard. There is something going on with this team now that is deeper than injuries, deeper than Hardy and deeper than a bad O linen

 

 

It almost looked like Bene and Norman, maybe Decoud, were the only ones who tried.

[thefuzz]

anthony collins T from the benglas. he would have been an upgrade. "The former Bengal was a dominant pass blocker last season, giving up zero sacks, one quarterback hit and 12 quarterback hurries even though Andy Dalton attempted 586 passes."

 

we made a bid on him and lost out.

 

5 years 30 million. 15 guaranteed. 6 million cap hit each year.

 

that's just. 7 million more to play with. Tackles are the most expensive. we could have revamped the line. Possibly even traded a 3rd rounder for someone.

 

 

Don't get me wrong. I think DG is a boss. But i said when the tag happened it would make or break THIS year.

 

You make that move, you can't get Avant, or Cotchery.  You would still have to cut Smith, and restructure (push back money) to have been able to pull the trigger.

 

On top of that have no free money to roll over to next season for a Cam contract.

 

 

The tag was the right call, even if it didn't work out.

[Proudiddy]

The easiest thing to do right now is pile on Gettleman. Oh Steve Smith had a great game against us yesterday so that negates the fact that Gettleman has spent the last 30 years building winning franchises.

Gettleman's a lot different than Marty Hurney, but Marty Hurney's contracts are still costing this team a great deal. Not only that, but this offseason has been harsh on the Panthers. We lost a franchise left tackle. Our best defensive lineman we're also paying out the ass on a franchise tag is gone due to extenuating circumstances. The cap accelerated a poo ton and we were still barely able to scrape by because of the backloaded contracts Hurney signed. Now, players are dropping like flies on the field and the team is feeling the effects. Last year we really didn't have an issue with injuries. Our franchise QB is still not fully recovered from injuries and surgeries before the season and he's constantly being chased down after the snap because we've got a serviceable right tackle at best protecting his blindside, and a defensive tackle protecting the other side. There's no money opening up and holes are forming and you can't just create cap out of nothingness.

Gettleman told us it was going to be a long road ahead when we took him on board. When somebody with his experience in the administration aspect says that, it gives you an idea of just how far behind a bad GM like Hurney can set you.

 

IMO, you are one of the best, most informed posters here, Frash.

 

But, I can't jibe with this.

 

He may have said what to expect, but then we went out and went 12-4 with a home playoff game (that should've resulted in an NFCCG berth) and had us believing we could take another step forward after that.

 

The Hardy debacle was his decision.  Did anyone expect him to go out and get a DV charge?  No.  But, the point is, he should've already been locked up long term or traded for assets.  Instead, we stupidly tagged him with no plan of having him here in the future  after this season according to many in the know, and now he's sitting on his couch getting paid.  That's not on Hardy.  That's on Gettleman, in terms of what we're lacking on the field and why.  That 13 mil could've been used elsewhere if he had no plans on keeping Hardy around anyway.  So, why tag him? 

 

And then he drafts a DE who isn't looking too hot right now, basically crowning him as Hardy's replacement, just to remind us how smart he is.  Well, that's not looking all that promising now, lol.  So, it's possible he also wasted a valuable 2nd round pick due to how he mishandled the Hardy situation as well.  That second round pick could've been a tackle, a safety, a corner, or another WR.

 

Then yesterday, we get to witness another one of his gambles that paid off...  He releases the greatest/most productive player in franchise history claiming that it is due to production/salary issues.  WRONG.  Smitty is breaking records right now and we just got blown out on the receiving end of it.  Not only was that a horrible, HORRIBLE football move, it also left us as a laughing stock throughout media and was a horrible PR move.  How do you think players that knew how good he still was feel that they have to spend ANOTHER week answering questions about a guy who should've never been on another team in the first place?  And now because he torched us, it still lingers.  That is demoralizing, and I honestly worry about what that does to our roster mentally.

 

Now, we can also go down the path of the many gambles he's taken two years in on mid-round picks that have failed equally as miserably as the aforementioned...  Kugbilla?  What about letting a guy from a local school (Hurst) get out of the state and end up starting for the Ravens as they blew us out yesterday as well?  Now, I know that isn't all on him, but it's hard to ignore that when instead he signs a fuging useless goomba-sized sloth from Canada who probably spent more time fishing in an icehole than he ever has wearing football pads, who will never see the field, and is taking up an active roster spot.

 

What about him insulting our QB last year with a similar comment like he made about Smitty during this offseason?  What about letting Mitchell walk and replacing him with Roman Harper (AFTER RELEASING SMITTY FOR EXTRA BURN, lol)?  These are inexcusable failures.

 

He's trying to outsmart everyone and it isn't working.  These have all been horrendous decisions and they're biting us in the ass right now.

 

Do you really think even if we hadn't lost RBs, Davis, Hardy, and others that we wouldn't have lost the last two weeks? 

 

I agree with you, he is NOT Hurney.  And when he gets it right, he gets it right (KB, Star, KK, Benwikere, etc.), but so many of these other moves wreak of arrogance and not sound, solely football-influenced decisions.  He is letting his ego get in the way of some of the most simple fixes available to us. 

 

As I lamented all offseason, you don't lose that many key contributors to a playoff team, fill their roles with wet paperbags full of pudding and tell everyone, "watch, I'm smarter than you.  we'll still be just as good..."  It doesn't work like that.  And he needs to be held accountable for it.

 

[Proudiddy]

Re: all the 'I'm so sick of the status quo!' rants-

Nippleshorts has done nothing but piss on the status quo since he got here. Fan favorites have been cut, controversial players drafted, etc.

 

When I rant about that in particular, it isn't just directed at Gettleman, it's the culture that has developed around the franchise as a whole starting from the top to the bottom.

 

Also, I don't give him kudos for bucking the trend just because he can...  The Smitty move was fuging stupid.  That wasn't a great icebreaker for him busting down the status quo, lol.

 

If he really wants to shake things up, how about revamping this shitty OL like he did WR?  Or, how about getting a OC that actually knows how to utilize his personnel?

 

Nope.  #hogmawlies

[*FreeFua*]

In the draft alone:

• Just say no to Kugbila, especially in the fourth round
• Not doubled up on DT when we had much more pressing needs
• Not drafted an undersized DE in the second round
• Taken an OT at any point in the draft this year
• Taken an OT at any point in the draft last year
• Taken a WR in the draft last year

I don't even need hindsight for that. I said it at the time.

This year I would've double dipped at WR. I would've taken Allen Robinson instead of Ealy. I would've drafted Brock Vereen over Tre Boston.

And last year I would've signed Tony Jefferson over Robert Lester.

[thefuzz]

IMO, you are one of the best, most informed posters here, Frash.

 

But, I can't jibe with this.

 

He may have said what to expect, but then we went out and went 12-4 with a home playoff game (that should've resulted in an NFCCG berth) and had us believing we could take another step forward after that.

 

The Hardy debacle was his decision.  Did anyone expect him to go out and get a DV charge?  No.  But, the point is, he should've already been locked up long term or traded for assets.  Instead, we stupidly tagged him with no plan of having him here in the future  after this season according to many in the know, and now he's sitting on his couch getting paid.  That's not on Hardy.  That's on Gettleman, in terms of what we're lacking on the field and why.  That 13 mil could've been used elsewhere if he had no plans on keeping Hardy around anyway.  So, why tag him? 

 

And then he drafts a DE who isn't looking too hot right now, basically crowning him as Hardy's replacement, just to remind us how smart he is.  Well, that's not looking all that promising now, lol.  So, it's possible he also wasted a valuable 2nd round pick due to how he mishandled the Hardy situation as well.  That second round pick could've been a tackle, a safety, a corner, or another WR.

 

Then yesterday, we get to witness another one of his gambles that paid off...  He releases the greatest/most productive player in franchise history claiming that it is due to production/salary issues.  WRONG.  Smitty is breaking records right now and we just got blown out on the receiving end of it.  Not only was that a horrible, HORRIBLE football move, it also left us as a laughing stock throughout media and was a horrible PR move.  How do you think players that knew how good he still was feel that they have to spend ANOTHER week answering questions about a guy who should've never been on another team in the first place?  And now because he torched us, it still lingers.  That is demoralizing, and I honestly worry about what that does to our roster mentally.

 

Now, we can also go down the path of the many gambles he's taken two years in on mid-round picks that have failed equally as miserably as the aforementioned...  Kugbilla?  What about letting a guy from a local school (Hurst) get out of the state and end up starting for the Ravens as they blew us out yesterday as well?  Now, I know that isn't all on him, but it's hard to ignore that when instead he signs a fuging useless goomba-sized sloth from Canada who probably spent more time fishing in an icehole than he ever has wearing football pads, who will never see the field, and is taking up an active roster spot.

 

What about him insulting our QB last year with a similar comment like he made about Smitty during this offseason?  What about letting Mitchell walk and replacing him with Roman Harper (AFTER RELEASING SMITTY FOR EXTRA BURN, lol)?  These are inexcusable failures.

 

He's trying to outsmart everyone and it isn't working.  These have all been horrendous decisions and they're biting us in the ass right now.

 

Do you really think even if we hadn't lost RBs, Davis, Hardy, and others that we wouldn't have lost the last two weeks? 

 

I agree with you, he is NOT Hurney.  And when he gets it right, he gets it right (KB, Star, KK, Benwikere, etc.), but so many of these other moves wreak of arrogance and not sound, solely football-influenced decisions.  He is letting his ego get in the way of some of the most simple fixes available to us. 

 

As I lamented all offseason, you don't lose that many key contributors to a playoff team, fill their roles with wet paperbags full of pudding and tell everyone, "watch, I'm smarter than you.  we'll still be just as good..."  It doesn't work like that.  And he needs to be held accountable for it.

 

 

You still won't name names, or look at contract costs and what they will do to the future.  As referenced by the first bolded sentence.

 

Moving on from Smith was the right call, no matter how you want to try to turn it around.  Referencing the second bolded one.

 

Please explain in detail how these moves have been horrendous, use specifics and numbers in your explanation.

[General_Purr]

I don't think its so much DG.. 

 

The worst loss for us to me with losing Travelle Wharton and Jordan Gross.

BOTH of them are GREATLY underrated in terms of fuging awesome O linemen. Great positive veterans. Don't know how much of it was personal or team matters but I think he has done great with the draft.. and creating our WR we have today. Has done good things with contracts so far..

 

I feel like this is a schematic thing. We rarely get into grooves playing. Maybe one drive a game is from pure marching down the field and scoring.. Starting to see a lot of great playcalling in the NFL winning games.. Seattle, San Diego, KC, Eagles, ect. Maybe one or two plays a game pop out to me as in wow that was a great play call.....

[AU-panther]

Do you really want me to copy and paste the list of every OT drafted after the Panthers picked for the last 2 years?

 

GMs don't have the luxury of drafting every player.  They have to pick one.  If you look at a list of every tackle took after Ealy I am sure there will be several that turn out to be very good players.  History tells us though that the majority of them won't work out. 

 

I'm guessing the FO and/or coaches felt like Ealy had a better chance of being successful then any of the tackles that were on the board. 

 

anthony collins T from the benglas. he would have been an upgrade. "The former Bengal was a dominant pass blocker last season, giving up zero sacks, one quarterback hit and 12 quarterback hurries even though Andy Dalton attempted 586 passes."

 

we made a bid on him and lost out.

 

5 years 30 million. 15 guaranteed. 6 million cap hit each year.

 

that's just. 7 million more to play with. Tackles are the most expensive. we could have revamped the line. Possibly even traded a 3rd rounder for someone.

 

 

Don't get me wrong. I think DG is a boss. But i said when the tag happened it would make or break THIS year.

 

That could have been a really good pick up, but I'll play the other side.

 

7 million more to play with this year.  17 million less to play with over the next 5 and we have some big contracts coming up.  Adding a second player would just add to this. Also we are close to the cap already for next year so that 6 million next year will affect decisions with some of our current players.

 

There is no guarantee he would have signed for that amount with us.  Maybe it would have took 35m.  One of the big problems with FA is you often get into bidding wars.  How much did we offer him?

 

What would have helped us more against Baltimore, this guy at tackle or Hardy at end?  I don't know.  DG and/or coaches clearly thought Hardy.

 

 

[Proudiddy]

You still won't name names, or look at contract costs and what they will do to the future. As referenced by the first bolded sentence.

Moving on from Smith was the right call, no matter how you want to try to turn it around. Referencing the second bolded one.

Please explain in detail how these moves have been horrendous, use specifics and numbers in your explanation.

So how have we done the last two weeks, Fuzz?

So all those moves you highlighted have been flawless positives? I am not going to go through all that with you. Your first point re: the first bolded sentence... what are you saying? Name prospects? The contract and numbers of who? Who is already on the roster when you're making the pick or who you ill be picking and how their contract will trend in the future? That is so ambiguous...

You cannot dismiss that the moves were horrible from a football perspective by simply excusing them with cap numbers. Yes, that plays a role but teams circumvent them every year. You still aren't giving valid reasons why Hardy made it to the season with the 13 mil tag in the first place. And if Smitty's production didn't justify his cap number going forward, if that was the basis for the decision alone, are you telling me there weren't better candidates to cut in the same situation? Lol. He publicly embarrassed Smitty and then Smitty refused to take a pay cut as his pride was hurt, so Gettleman can be him. That's on Gettleman. He painted himself into a corner with his mouth. That very well should've been one of the other salary albatross that are currently on the sidelines.

All the other atrocious gambles are as well.

[carolina-chuck]

no way man lol

Cam? Luke?

We could've gone Fairley, Gabbert, or Dareus (okay) over Cam.

Could've gone fans favorite Melvin Ingram, Coples, or Gilmore over Luke.

Star and KB were no brainer picks. Even Stevie Wonder could've made those picks.

Lol