Instead of a foregone conclusion there needs to be a rethinking.

[Pox 08]

Hardy >>>>>>>>>  Charles Johnson.   Need him back,  either at the end of this year,  or give him a contract this off-season.

 

 

No way are we in a position to basically start fresh with our starting DEs.      If we don't get Hardy back,  and we release Big Money (Who is counting for around $20M against the cap in '15).. then we are screwed.

[CRA]

And Godfrey had the lucky INT for years and still took flack. Harper is doing while being out of place on 80 yard run plays. So he sucks and without Hardy his suckeness is magnified.

He did get an occaasional lucky one....Harper is a much better INT pace than Godfrey's standard lucky ones. So until that changes it is worth something.

That 80 yard run like all big runs starts with a LB (Davis) totally screwing it up. Last season Davis clobbers him. Just like most of the other big ones teams were punting bc the LBs not Ss made the right play.

[WOW!!]

He did get an occaasional lucky one....Harper is a much better INT pace than Godfrey's standard lucky ones. So until that changes it is worth something.

That 80 yard run like all big runs starts with a LB (Davis) totally screwing it up. Last season Davis clobbers him. Just like most of the other big ones teams were punting bc the LBs not Ss made the right play.

Show the stats. Godfrey last full year and Harper this year. And let's add in the fact That we are now 25th or lower in every defensive category.

[WOW!!]

He did get an occaasional lucky one....Harper is a much better INT pace than Godfrey's standard lucky ones. So until that changes it is worth something.

That 80 yard run like all big runs starts with a LB (Davis) totally screwing it up. Last season Davis clobbers him. Just like most of the other big ones teams were punting bc the LBs not Ss made the right play.

As the safety you are the last line of defense. It's your job to stop a 80 yard run and keep it to 15 or 20 yards.

Also last year TD and Luke didn't make every play. Mike Mitchell and Quentin Mikell were competent as tacklers and being in position which Harper is not.

[WOW!!]

Let's also show again this thread isn't about Godfrey or suck ass Harper.

It's about letting a top 20 player at a highly valued position walk.

[Nick_81]

As the safety you are the last line of defense. It's your job to stop a 80 yard run and keep it to 15 or 20 yards.

Also last year TD and Luke didn't make every play. Mike Mitchell and Quentin Mikell were competent as tacklers and being in position which Harper is not.

To be fair... that 80 yard run had nothing to do with Harper.  Harper's job on that play was to seal the edge, to keep Bernard from going outside, which he did.  CJ got a hand on him, and TD completely whiffed the tackle, which led to DeCoud being the last line of defense.  DeCoud took a bad angle because he thought Melvin white was redirecting Bernard, and it was off to the races.  There's a thread with a complete breakdown of the play here:  

[WOW!!]

To be fair... that 80 yard run had nothing to do with Harper. Harper's job on that play was to seal the edge, to keep Bernard from going outside, which he did. CJ got a hand on him, and TD completely whiffed the tackle, which led to DeCoud being the last line of defense. DeCoud took a bad angle because he thought Melvin white was redirecting Bernard, and it was off to the races. There's a thread with a complete breakdown of the play here:

The problem is that's not the 80 yard run i'm talking about. And the major problem is that's not the only long run this season.

[Nick_81]

The problem is that's not the 80 yard run i'm talking about. And the major problem is that's not the only long run this season.

Maybe you're talking about Bell's run... either way, DeCoud is the safety valve.  Looked like Harper was coming up into his gap to me.  Not saying I think Harper is great or anything, but I don't think he's to blame on either of those particular plays.  We were playing single high safety on both.  I completely agree with the frustration of those breaking out though.

[xerxes]

Anytime I see the phrase 'forgone conclusion' I think of that scene in Braveheart. Paraphrased:

 

Huddler1: They seem quite optimistic. Maybe they do want to resign Hardy.

 

Huddler2: Free Agency might be a foregone conclusion. Nonetheless, we should deliver the GM's terms.

 

Huddler1: The GM's terms? They'll never live up to them.

[WOW!!]

Maybe you're talking about Bell's run... either way, DeCoud is the safety valve. Looked like Harper was coming up into his gap to me. Not saying I think Harper is great or anything, but I don't think he's to blame on either of those particular plays. We were playing single high safety on both. I completely agree with the frustration of those breaking out though.

We've giving up 6 50 or more yard runs. Then the Pac man Jones kickoff return. Where Harper was stuck in quick sand and look like a kicker.

Also The constant stiff arm to hell and chasing after plays Harper is always involved with.

Now everybody should have known Decoud has never been a great or good tackler. He was brought in to be a center fielder and catch int's. Harper is suppose to be a "in the box safety" against the run and occasional pass rushers from the safety position. We all knew he couldn't cover dry paint and was a liability in the pass defense.

Well lookie here we can't stop the run and the guy who was brought in to help that is doing what exactly? ?

[WOW!!]

Again despite CRA and Scotts best effort this thread is about Hardy. Not Harper or Godfrey.

[WOW!!]

And for the record, it wasn't a forgone conclusion that he was gonna be here next year anyway.  One writer in fact (Voth, I think) hinted that Hardy's big money expectations had already written him out of the Panthers plans even before all the garbage happened.

 

That was the point of the thread. The fact that Billy V and others think no matter what Greg was gone. I'm thinking that after seeing this defense without him maybe G-Man and the organization will rethink that position. If he is found innocent.

Unless they feel they have his replacement on the roster (which IMO they don't).

[carpanfan96]

I completely agree that I think he'll be worth the massive contract that he'll likely still get. However, I haven't thought it was going to be with Carolina since he was tagged and knew the tag wasn't to get a contract done with. After this whole blow up, I'm pretty close to 100% positive that Hardy won't be back next year. Giving CJ the reworked deal made me lean even harder to that side.

 

 

Now there might be a chance that Hardy will be welcomed back, but It will come with some hard hits to him.

 

he'll have to take a paycut in the 7-8m a season range. 

Then Gettleman and Rivera need Hardy to convince JR to let him stay. 

 

 

I have doubts that Richardson would want Hardy here even if he's found innocent. Then I have doubts that Hardy will take a deal in the 7-8 a year range. So because of those two factors, I'd say the chance of him staying are really low. 

 

 

 

The next key and biggest question is what will the team do with CJ next offseason, plus I fully except the team to take a DE in the first 3 rounds again next draft as well. 

[bandu]

Greg Hardys salary next year will be solely contigent based upon the outcome of his trial if innocent?,then thats less of a distraction to the team or any team for that matter and also not having that one strike for DMV on his NFL record and public record is a biggie as well as,his innocence would certanly make his stock rise considerably,then theres the "what if" factor if hes still awaiting trial then his value would be very,very low,of course,and then finally if hes found guilty,there would be a considerable drop- off in his actual value because of all the liabilty involved,anyway you want too look at it his value has dropped from the charge alone but i still say,hold what you got because you would wind up spending way more money,trying to get it back what you lost in the first place with alot less return,imo.