Clinton Portis on WFNZ yesterday....

[RoaringRiot]

The offer to Collins is what tells me that Gettleman wasn't as big a believer in Bell as Rivera was.

But again, he still ended up signing off on it.

After Collins signed what was the move he should have made instead of signing off on Bell?

[Cary Kollins]

And by 10 years I mean 15.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Gettleman might have inadvertently lost Cam when he cut Smitty. Why? Steve Smith has received more media hype and attention at age 36 or whatever he is now in his one year as a Baltimore Raven than he did in any single year as a Panther. Baltimore has won multiple Super Bowls and gets way more media play than the Panthers do. Mike Mitchell is getting way more attention as a Steeler than he did as a Panther last year. The Panthers are the NFL's farm team. If you're Cam Newton and you have zero ties to Charlotte and North Carolina and you want to be an entertainer and icon, is staying with the Panthers the smartest thing to do?

[RoaringRiot]

Cam "failing" is the wrong language. If Gettleman doesn't believe that Cam is the guy he wants to build his team around, then why would he want to give him a long-term deal and pay? He wouldn't want to. Likewise, if Cam's bad offensive line gets him maimed, he'll have an excuse not to pay him.

The o-line hasn't been a priority. Beyond that, eveyone has the right to speculate whatever they want about why that is the case and not give "Dave" the benefit of the doubt on it.

Who should he have signed to make the line better?

[SOJA]

no one has heard of the franchise tag- trust me there is NO WAY Cam leaves in free agency. If he is truly that unhappy with Carolina (which I don't think he is) we would trade him to the highest bidder- and there would be a ton of bidders

[SOJA]

Gettleman might have inadvertently lost Cam when he cut Smitty. Why? Steve Smith has received more media hype and attention at age 36 or whatever he is now in his one year as a Baltimore Raven than he did in any single year as a Panther. Baltimore has won multiple Super Bowls and gets way more media play than the Panthers do. Mike Mitchell is getting way more attention as a Steeler than he did as a Panther last year. The Panthers are the NFL's farm team. If you're Cam Newton and you have zero ties to Charlotte and North Carolina and you want to be an entertainer and icon, is staying with the Panthers the smartest thing to do?

 

 

 

lol just lol 

[*FreeFua*]

Kelvin Bejamin

That's 1 in 4 years.

I do like the Turner pick though as well. But here we are in Cam's 4th season and he's throwing to guys like Cotchery and Avant, both who are on their last legs. And he has an OL that's a complete mess. Bell, Chandler and Amini all suck, and no amount of practice is going to help.

I'll apologize in advance for bringing Luck into this but immediately the Colts draft Fleener for him. He also has young guys like TY Hilton and Moncrief that'll he'll grow with and develop solid chemistry with. All of this topped off with a great veteran WR in Reggie Wayne.

We've given Cam no one to grow with besides Benjamin and that was just this year. We gutted our WR group and got older in the process. That's going backwards imo. Guys like Bersin and Philly aren't weapons, they've been nice surprises given our current roster.

[Mr. Scot]

Everyone is a genius when they're pointing out everything they think GMan has done wrong. But not a single one of you can say what should have been done differently with respect to our available cap, FAs available, and drafting position.

 

I sure as hell wouldn't have drafted Morgan Moses, not knowing what we know now.

 

I have no problem with Gettleman's drafting philosophy or his cap management.  The things that have gone wrong are not things anyone could have foreseen.

 

I do disagree with signing off on Bell and Chandler at the tackles.  Although I think that was more Rivera than Gettleman (see the post above on Collins) gettleman still has to bear the ultimate blame for it.

 

All that said, the silver lining for this season is that we'll likely end up with higher draft picks than expected.

 

 

 

[SOJA]

WE NEVER TRY TO HELP CAM 

 

 

Except for spending our first round pick on WR

[ThinkAboutIt]

Who should he have signed to make the line better?

 

 

I find it humorous when you all pull that stupid trick out of your cap every time someone annoys you. I'm not the one.

 

Name every offensive lineman in every division of college football that could've been drafted last season, every lineman in the NFL that could've been obtained, every guy on the street that wanted to try out for an NFL team who could've played offensive lineman, and then I'll play your game.

[Mr. Scot]

That's 1 in 4 years.

I do like the Turner pick though as well. But here we are in Cam's 4th season and he's throwing to guys like Cotchery and Avant, both who are on their last legs. And he has an OL that's a complete mess. Bell, Chandler and Amini all suck, and no amount of practice is going to help.

I'll apologize in advance for bringing Luck into this but immediately the Colts draft Fleener for him. He also has young guys like TY Hilton and Moncrief that'll he'll grow with and develop solid chemistry with. All of this topped off with a great veteran WR in Reggie Wayne.

We've given Cam no one to grow with besides Benjamin and that was just this year. We gutted our WR group and got older in the process. That's going backwards imo. Guys like Bersin and Philly aren't weapons, they've been nice surprises given our current roster.

 

Dave Gettleman's been GM for four years?

 

[RoaringRiot]

I sure as hell wouldn't have drafted Morgan Moses, not knowing what we know now.

I have no problem with Gettleman's drafting philosophy or his cap management. The things that have gone wrong are not things anyone could have foreseen.

I do disagree with signing off on Bell and Chandler at the tackles. Although I think that was more Rivera than Gettleman (see the post above on Collins) gettleman still has to bear the ultimate blame for it.

All that said, the silver lining for this season is that we'll likely end up with higher draft picks than expected.

I don't know of any options that would have been better than what we thought we had in Bell or Chandler after we lost the chance at Collins.

Does anyone?

[RoaringRiot]

I find it humorous when you all pull that stupid trick out of your cap every time someone annoys you. I'm not the one.

Name every offensive lineman in every division of college football that could've been drafted last season, every lineman in the NFL that could've been obtained, every guy on the street that wanted to try out for an NFL team who could've played offensive lineman, and then I'll play your game.

I was being serious. If you're strongly sure that the moves were incorrect then you have to know what the correct move was to back up your argument. If not then you don't have a very strong argument.

[*FreeFua*]

Dave Gettleman's been GM for four years?

Cam had to sit there and get sh*t on for 2 whole seasons. I don't think he'll forget that just because there was a different GM