Would you favor going West Coast?

[Mr. Scot]

So let's suppose for a moment that Mike Shula - and maybe even Ron Rivera - were to wind up unemployed at season's end.

 

(stop celebrating; we're still only talking hypothetically)

 

Would you be in favor of going with a new OC/HC who preferred a West Coast Offense to the Coryell system we use now?

 

Keep in mind that our current receivers - Benjamin included - aren't great fits to a WCO, so it would likely mean retooling the receiving corps again.  It also means requiring Cam Newton to learn a new system, one which his initial skill set was not suited to but which he showed he could handle when they altered the scheme to emphasize short passing last season (good chance a lot of the 'read option' stuff you see mixed in right now would wind up dropped entirely).

 

On the flipside, our current crop of runningbacks could quite likely function well in a West Coast attack, and WCOs are arguably better suited to mobile quarterbacks than Coryell systems are.

 

Again, keep in mind, we're talking system here, not execution, so don't assume that just because our current offense looks bad that a schematic change is a good idea.  Weigh the pros and cons of the attack, not the personnel or the coaches.

 

So what's your opinion?

[Ruff]

I don't think Cam has the accuracy to play effectively in a West Coast.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't think Cam has the accuracy to play effectively in a West Coast.

 

Two years ago I might have agreed.

 

But last season they went with what could be considered a modified WCO, and it actually worked fairly well. 

 

This season, they retooled the receiving corps to better fit a Coryell system.

 

 

[General_Purr]

Im so tired of the conservative poo.

 

I would like someone to bring the plays into 2014 and be into the edge of things. Seems to work for the teams winning big games.

 

 

I think you can only succeed in the old ways with huge players. Calvin Johnson or a Demarco Murray type playing within something they know is coming but can't stop..

[cardiackat88.]

So let's suppose for a moment that Mike Shula - and maybe even Ron Rivera - were to wind up unemployed at season's end.

(stop celebrating; we're still only talking hypothetically)

Would you be in favor of going with a new OC/HC who preferred a West Coast Offense to the Coryell system we use now?

Keep in mind that our current receivers - Benjamin included - aren't great fits to a WCO, so it would likely mean retooling the receiving corps again. It also means requiring Cam Newton to learn a new system, one which his initial skill set was not suited to but which he showed he could handle when they altered the scheme to emphasize short passing last season (good chance a lot of the 'read option' stuff you see mixed in right now would wind up dropped entirely).

On the flipside, our current crop of runningbacks could quite likely function well in a West Coast attack, and WCOs are arguably better suited to mobile quarterbacks than Coryell systems are.

Again, keep in mind, we're talking system here, not execution, so don't assume that just because our current offense looks bad that a schematic change is a good idea. Weigh the pros and cons of the attack, not the personnel or the coaches.

So what's your opinion?

West Coast, Air Coryell, whatever...I would just like to once see a god damn slant pass in our offensive playbook.

[KillerKat]

I just want an OC that calls the right plays at the right time. Call it the hippity doo dah day system for all I care. I just want something that works.

[teeray]

I think Cam has come far enough that he can run any type of offense.

I would ideally like someone to come in who has experience with spread concepts and plays a faster pace (albeit not frantic fast like Philly, but quicker to line of scrimmage)

I also love what Denver does, and although Peyton's brain is the engine that makes that offense go, I think we could run a similar offense with read option concepts added in to the running game.

A little Erhardt-Perkins with some read option added in if you will

It is a relatively simple offense, easy to learn, and hard to defend.

[t96]

Cam is absolutely capable of playing in a West Coast offense, but we have no weapons to do so, so no I wouldn't favor it.. And if our defense is going to be our strength, which I expect and hope for it to be) then the Coryell system we run fits that perfectly. We just need someone who can call plays who's not a retard, an offensive line and a speedy WR.

[Mr. Scot]

I think Cam has come far enough that he can run any type of offense.

I would ideally like someone to come in who has experience with spread concepts and plays a faster pace (albeit not frantic fast like Philly, but quicker to line of scrimmage)

I also love what Denver does, and although Peyton's brain is the engine that makes that offense go, I think we could run a similar offense with read option concepts added in to the running game.

A little Erhardt-Perkins with some read option added in if you will

It is a relatively simple offense, easy to learn, and hard to defend.

 

If you go by what they used to say about Michael Vick, it takes approximately 10 years to learn the West Coast offense

[pstall]

You may need to clarify WCO.

To me the original is the best. Split backfield with a focus on 3 step drop back passes and quick slants. The goal was yards after the catch and getting guys in space and mismatches.

[PhillyB]

cam has the ability to be prolific in the air coryell when provided with the right tools. combine that with a decent defense and you've got championships.

 

completely fix the offensive line, get cam a dependable deep threat, and you're fine.

 

oh yeah and assassinate mike shula.

[carolina-chuck]

Just fuggn WIN!!!!!!

[Mr. Scot]

You may need to clarify WCO.

To me the original is the best. Split backfield with a focus on 3 step drop back passes and quick slants. The goal was yards after the catch and getting guys in space and mismatches.

 

I thought about it, but then just said 'nah'.  I'd suggest people look it up if they don't know.

 

If it helps, I mean Bill Walsh style West Coast vs traditional Air Coryell.

 

Teeray brought up Earhardt-Perkins.  i wasn't going that route either

 

[magnus]

Two years ago I might have agreed.

 

But last season they went with what could be considered a modified WCO, and it actually worked fairly well. 

 

This season, they retooled the receiving corps to better fit a Coryell system.

still disagree it was WCO.  Still believe it was Coryell, just not good talent for it. 

 

What most people here will discuss will be football philosophy, but what's really being discussed is approach to those offenses.   Take Jeff Davidson, versus Bill Belichick's Pats around that same time, roughly 08.  Same offense.   Until '11, no one had ever really run that spread of a Coryell, and all of a sudden a lot of the stuff Carolina was doing was spread.  

 

What's here, in this same offense, can be run somewhat better, sure.  More efficient.  Line play hinders some of that.  You can pass shorter, you can stop huddling, whatever you want to do, in whichever offense.  I'd prefer to keep the best fit for KB and Olsen as opposed to going to a new philosophy, but Andy Reid taught the Bang-8 the same that Mike Martz did. 

 

If it were me, designing for Cam and those two, I'd leave the O the same more or less, and I like Shula's formation disguises.  I'd use the Chip Kelly keys for run/pass based on what's in the box and keep stressing packaged plays.