Breaking down that 4th & 1 play..

[SOJA]

Great post op

My observation: corchery was too slow to beat out barwin and the o line had great protection (that didn't last long)

[Rastlet]

After reading this thread I see Cam should have thrown it to Olsen, no I mean Avant, no wait it should be thrown to Stewart, no he should roll out and use Stewart to block. Hell no wonder he threw it to Cotchery.

[Snake]

Just poor play selection. We have 0 WRs that can take the top off a defence and we would have been better off in more of a run formation.

[teeray]

Also, anyone who says Avant was primary receiver doesn't know what they are talking about. 

 

He was probably the 4th progression and we had a WR one on one with I think a LB (Connor Barwin maybe?) which was likely third progression and what most would consider a good match up and is probably why the ball went there.

 

Progression was likely:

 

Benji

Olsen

Cotchery

Avant

Stewart

 

You don't really get to go through progressions and then go back and decide.  You go through progressions and make decision on each one.

 

So if third progression is a WR on a LB you have to decide.

 

Playing QB is about making good decisions, they don't always have to be perfect decisions.  You can play these games with anyone on film or with still frames.

 

If he threw a TD to Cotchery would we even be looking at these frames?

 

 

 

 

 

[Davidson Deac II]

Anybody who can't see Cam is at fault on this play is delusional.

Avant is clearly wide open. Newton didn't make the correct read.

Shula sucks plain and simple, but Cam does him little favors with reads like this. The oline does both little favors by getting walked back on every play. Our offense is a dumpster fire plain and simple. The likes that have not been seen around here since David Carr and jimmy clausen were at the helm.

 

Agreed.   Shula/Rivera certainly made their share of bad calls, and maybe we shouldn't have lined up in the shotgun, but there were several options on this play, and Cam made the worst choice, the one with the least chance of succeeding. 

 

Since it was really closer to 4th and 2, I understand why they didn't sneak it. 

[Davidson Deac II]

That being said, I do believe the turnover in offensive personnel from last year is having a significant impact on Cam's performance and on the offense in general, moreso than Shula's playcalling. 

[Gucci Mane]

Avant was fresh off a crack back block it's likely cam skimmed over him. Ill post the whole play when I'm off work.

[teeray]

Avant was fresh off a crack back block it's likely cam skimmed over him. Ill post the whole play when I'm off work.

He likely never got to him after seeing he had one on one with a WR against a LB

[hdevonxz]

Play didn't work because cotchery can't create seperation and isn't a miracle maker or explosvie play maker.  Why draw that route up for one of our slowest recievers?

[Peppers90 NC]

i cant get past the fact there was decent protection and a pocket. as for the 3 deep routes the only way they make sense in this circumstance is if they can clear out an easy underneath pass. that kinda worked and there were options especially to Stewart but i guess Cam felt more comfortable trying to make the tougher pass. he also had an easy run for a first.

[Silent Majority]

All Cam had to do was sit beside me on my couch. He could have easily seen the entire tv screen....or he could have easily run for it. I do it in Madden all the time.

[TonyN]

Also, anyone who says Avant was primary receiver doesn't know what they are talking about. 

 

He was probably the 4th progression and we had a WR one on one with I think a LB (Connor Barwin maybe?) which was likely third progression and what most would consider a good match up and is probably why the ball went there.

 

Progression was likely:

 

Benji

Olsen

Cotchery

Avant

Stewart

 

You don't really get to go through progressions and then go back and decide.  You go through progressions and make decision on each one.

 

So if third progression is a WR on a LB you have to decide.

 

Playing QB is about making good decisions, they don't always have to be perfect decisions.  You can play these games with anyone on film or with still frames.

 

If he threw a TD to Cotchery would we even be looking at these frames?

 

Your theory as to the likely sequence of progressions is based on what??? The fact that you think Cam needs to force the ball deep to Benjamin on 4th and 2??? Go back and watch the play. Watch Newton's head. He was looking at Avant first the entire way until he decides to ignore the fact that Avant was wide open. 

 

Avant has to be the primary receiver on this play because his route is the quickest developing one. Cam is looking right at him. Avant is looking for the ball. That was the play. It is hard to imagine how Avant could have been any more wide open in that situation.

[TheRed]

Is there any video of this play?

 

That would probably serve this thread better than claiming a player is "wide open" only by looking at one picture out of an entire play.

 

[TonyN]

Is there any video of this play?

 

That would probably serve this thread better than claiming a player is "wide open" only by looking at one picture out of an entire play.

 

You really need to invest $29.99 for NFL rewind, my Crimson friend.

 

It will broaden your horizon's significantly.