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"He's the most athletic Quarterback... Ever"

MichaelNewtonII

By MichaelNewtonII,
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TheRumGone Grand Master

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People get mad when you try and compare GOAT qbs to a guy in his 4th year coming off ankle surgery, a car crash that put fractures in his back, and 2 cracked ribs in a preseason game behind arguably the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL through the first half and some change of the season.

Everyone agrees cam needs to keep developing, very rare do we have posters who claim cam to be elite already. Some posters need to stop lumping those people in together.

I got what he was trying to say, but what he could have said was John elway, Steve young, steve McNair, Brett Fabre, and to a certain extent Aaron rodgers(although I doubt cam will ever be as accurate) ect. All those guys are athletic freaks who kept developing as passers as their careers played out.

Those should be the guys we look to for cam comparisons. I don't think he will ever be a Tom Brady or Peyton manning. Those are rarities. But we can still win a Super Bowl with cams skill set and future development. Trying to take a slam at cam like stirs is known to do because he doesn't fit the mold of what stirs wants in a qb and throwing Brady's name out there is disengenous.

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heel31ok Experienced

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People get mad when you try and compare GOAT qbs to a guy in his 4th year coming off ankle surgery, a car crash that put fractures in his back, and 2 cracked ribs in a preseason game behind arguably the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL through the first half and some change of the season.

Everyone agrees cam needs to keep developing, very rare do we have posters who claim cam to be elite already. Some posters need to stop lumping those people in together.

I got what he was trying to say, but what he could have said was John elway, Steve young, steve McNair, Brett Fabre, and to a certain extent Aaron rodgers(although I doubt cam will ever be as accurate) ect. All those guys are athletic freaks who kept developing as passers as their careers played out.

Those should be the guys we look to for cam comparisons. I don't think he will ever be a Tom Brady or Peyton manning. Those are rarities. But we can still win a Super Bowl with cams skill set and future development. Trying to take a slam at cam like stirs is known to do because he doesn't fit the mold of what stirs wants in a qb and throwing Brady's name out there is disengenous.

 

no the point was you don't have to be athletic to be good or great.

 

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CRA Grand Master

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he did what he was asked to do and had goods stats and doubled their wins from the previous season. I'd say impressive all the way around.

He didn't do much. System was good.

Like I said, Aldred Morris has the most impressive season. RG got the glory. What happened to him after isn't a shock. Once there was a year of film on how little he could actually do....he couldn't do anything.

And yeah, he couldn't run. That doesn't mean much....Cam had his wheels taken away but you could tell his rookie year he wasn't one read gimmick QB (unless forced into a bad scheme)

RGIII and Kap got hype. Both had some success based on the scheme and what their teams around them did. Neither were asked to do what Cam was asked....it is showing now. Now teams have enough film to force them out of their bs.....and they can't play.

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this is what i don't understand.

 

why mention tom brady? there are plenty of athletic qbs that have won superbowls and have had amazing careers with the same type of skill set that can be mentioned and you could look at their career developments and hope Cam follows suit. I grew up in the bay area watching steve young play. why are you mentioning a qb that Cam will never be? you are a fan of the carolina panthers. Cam is a carolina panther. root on that skill set and his development as a pocket passer. he has shown flashes of what we hope he can become and this is just his 4th year.

 

Hope he ends up making big plays in big moments like john elway steve young and steve mcnair did in their careers using their entire talents.

 

i just don't get these tom brady/peyton manning posts at all. cam will never be them, doesn't mean he can't be great in his own right.

 

 

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I actually think Vick and RG3 are both probably more athletic, but 'athletic' doesn't equal 'good quarterback'.

Newton is a better quarterback than those guys, and it's not even close.

Neither of those guys can take a hit. Newton isn't as fast but doesn't need to be because he can run you over or toss you out of the way.

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You mention that because at QB, the most athletic means probably about as much as it does for kickers or punters.  Why do you not see the point when you call the list of QBs "GOAT" and none were great athletes?  If they can become GOAT without being great athletes, then how important is it?  Everyone is not putting down Cam--just putting the comment into perspective.

 

Cam's skill set is awesome.  His application of that skill set has yet to reach the point where he is beyond criticism.  He would telll you that--but some of his fans can't believe the 20th rated qb in the league should be examined by other fans.  The 4th year thing is a bit of a reach when it comes to excuse making--most NFL careers are shorter.  It did not take the GOATs 10+ years to get great; they played 10+ years because they were/are great.

 

Before you get too defensive, understand that the questions surrounding athletic qbs were being asked before Cam was born.  Create a GOAT list of athletic QBs in the NFL who were featured in the running attack.  You will find that most all had accuracy and consistency issues. Vick, Keapernick, Randall Cunningham, etc.They often screw up timing.  Why is it difficult to admit that a qb who buys time disrupts timing?  I was a college  receiving TE in the Southern Conference--I can tell you that you expect the ball during routes at about the same time every time--preferably when your qb-side leg is open to the qb (by design).  If the ball is not there, the gap created by the cut closes.  You start improvising or you get the ball between strides--it is harder.  You leave areas where you should be open in zones and blindly run into areas-with your head turned back toward the qb--where you know there are people targeting your ribs.  Then the pass is high--do you have any idea how much courage it takes to go get it?  Well I do.  This is why the athletic qbs may make the fans happy because they make people miss and can run the ball, but I can tell you, when I made my break, I wanted to know where the ball was coming from (the pocket-I did not want to find him somewhere toward the sidelines) and I wanted it when I made my break.  Another thing- a QB throwing on the run throws a ball that tails on you.  A high pass 4 steps after your break that tails into the zone where you know the SS is sitting---not an easy catch. 

 

That is why pocket qbs are necessary in the NFL.  They stay healthy and do not disrupt precision routes by messing up timing and accuracy.  Cam has the tools to do it.  Being athletic may be the biggest reason he doesn't because he has an option that made him great in pop warner, high school, and college. His brain knows it is an option, but an NFL QB accurately delivers the ball on time to other athletes to be successful in the long term. 

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Kuhndog94 Grand Master

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That Mark Kreigel guy is an idiot. He plays somber music, talks about how bad Cam has been. How Derek Anderson almost has as many wins. Then throws in a "I defended Cam". It's like he's talking out of both sides of his mouth and the side he actually means is the negative view of things. 

 

If he actually watched our games and "supported" him, he'd realize that most of these things aren't his fault. 

 

Fug this guy. He wants to be relevant. 

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He didn't do much. System was good.

Like I said, Aldred Morris has the most impressive season. RG got the glory. What happened to him after isn't a shock. Once there was a year of film on how little he could actually do....he couldn't do anything.

And yeah, he couldn't run. That doesn't mean much....Cam had his wheels taken away but you could tell his rookie year he wasn't one read gimmick QB (unless forced into a bad scheme)

RGIII and Kap got hype. Both had some success based on the scheme and what their teams around them did. Neither were asked to do what Cam was asked....it is showing now. Now teams have enough film to force them out of their bs.....and they can't play.

 

you don't know much about rg3 do ya?

 

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