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Does Hardy situation scare panthers away from Green-Beckham?


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I guess that grace, mercy, sacrifice and redemption are unknown concepts to many in regards to the first round.

Moreover, it's kind of hypocritical---if not just simpleminded in a way---to say that this guy is not good enough morally to be drafted in the first round, but is good enough morally to be drafted in the second or third, etc. Oh, what? It's all about money? Well, then say "It's all about money!"

If we were good people, we'd trade Cleveland a first rounder for Josh Gordon so we could give him a shot at redemption.

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I guess that grace, mercy, sacrifice and redemption are unknown concepts to many in regards to the first round.

Moreover, it's kind of hypocritical---if not just simpleminded in a way---to say that this guy is not good enough morally to be drafted in the first round, but is good enough morally to be drafted in the second or third, etc. Oh, what? It's all about money? Well, then say "It's all about money!"

 

It has nothing to with morals.

 

Far be it from me to criticize anyone about their "morals" with the skeletons in my closet.

 

My issue is potential risk TO THE TEAM.  An NFL team is not a halfway house for people with substance issues and/or domestic abuse issues to come rehabilitate themselves.   Its a goddam BUSINESS.

 

And BUSINESSES make choices about the quality of the people they hire and choose to pay good money to do a job.  If they deem the investment in that person is too risky, they won't do it.

 

Morals?  Nah.  GTFO with that strawman.

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It has nothing to with morals.

 

Far be it from me to criticize anyone about their "morals" with the skeletons in my closet.

 

My issue is potential risk TO THE TEAM.  An NFL team is not a halfway house for people with substance issues and/or domestic abuse issues to come rehabilitate themselves.   Its a goddam BUSINESS.

 

And BUSINESSES make choices about the quality of the people they hire and choose to pay good money to do a job.  If they deem the investment in that person is too risky, they won't do it.

 

Morals?  Nah.  GTFO with that strawman.

 

 

It's a useful tool for pointing out when an argument is silly.

Our resident Auburn fan nailed it pretty well.

 

 

So, that's why Jerry Richardson took Moss off the draft board, because the risk to the team was too big. Oh, I got it.

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I am sure that Jerry Richardson was crying---what was really in reference to how he was handling Hardy--because of Hardy's risk to the team as well. That's why he succumbed to the will of the Shield also.  

 

Gimme a break!

 

The CBA was rewritten to mitigate the risk of high round draft picks, so all this risk to the team is largely overblown.  That and the fact that they can just get rid of a player if he does too badly.  The fact is that Cleveland, Jacksonville, and whoever else can get rid of their problem children without much risk.

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With the NFL trying so hard to maintain their BS corporate image, it's extremely risky proposition to draft anyone with potential off the field issues. Green-Beckham is a second rounder at best for that reason.

That being said, any owner action in the draft room is bad.

/Queue the "But he gave me muh franchise!" apologists.

Yeah, he's a second rounder at best. Especially since most Mocks have him being drafted in the first round. We do not need to pass on this kid if he's available in the first round at 25.
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