Cam Newton should be paid more than Luck or Wilson

[Woodie]

I think you have to consider contract longevity too. Newtons rush number should decrease the older he gets so that favors Luck.

 

I also think the NFL in general views Luck the better QB, I mean he did get drafted #1 overall  in the pro bowl twice in a row now, LOL.

 

I want to see Cam surrounded by legit weapons and right now we are clearly rebuilding. Luck had Hilton, Fleener and Allen drafted with him as a rookie to add to Reggie Wayne, then they added Moncrief and signed the guy almost everyone here was wetting themselves to get, Nicks. So far we've only added Benji thru the draft that has stuck. We have to start adding speedy playmakers, hopefully, this is the year. I'm glad it was one of the first comments made this offseason by Gettleman.

 

I agree to an extent.  Cam actually does a very good job of minimizing many of the hits he takes.  He does take the occasional big hit, but more often than not it's either glancing, or Cam drops before the big hit comes.  But you are right that regardless he will eventually have to run less.  However, I think we have seen him improve every year, and at the start of this year, he showed a much higher level of maturity as a passer until things went downhill for the entire team. 

 

And adding weapons is unquestionably vital to Cam ever becoming what he can be.  Right now (and even previously when Smitty was still here) we had limited weapons and inefficient protection, so Cam has never truly been able to be let loose.  Bring in playmakers and speed on the outside along with some real protection, and I have a feeling that Cam will become one of the most feared QB's in the league. 

 

So a lot depends on what the team puts around Cam.  Fortunately, I believe in Gettleman's ability to eventually find the right pieces.  So I think when all is said and done, Cam and Luck will be the Manning/Brady of their generation.  You wouldn't go wrong with either of them.

[Jeremy Igo]

The fact is that Cam *ALREADY* "took less".

Its called the Rookie Salary Cap of which his rookie class was the first member.

Look up Sam Bradford's rookie contract.

Then look up Cam Newton's.

Now explain to me about "taking less" again.

Is a valid point.

[davos]

I have no problem paying Cam.

 

I can't go back to Jimmy Clausen, Chris Weinke, Rodney Peete, Matt Moore, Brett Basanez, Brian St Pierre, David Carr, Matt Lytle, Randy Fasani and calling Testy off the couch.

 

Bazanez was the future bro.  We definitely missed the boat there. 

[TheRed]

I have no problem paying Cam.

I can't go back to Jimmy Clausen, Chris Weinke, Rodney Peete, Matt Moore, Brett Basanez, Brian St Pierre, David Carr, Matt Lytle, Randy Fasani and calling Testy off the couch.

What about Stefan Lefors?

[davos]

What about Stefan Lefors?

Best lefty since Brunell. 

[tiger7_88]

 

There are a lot of folks here who seem to want to make Cam the highest paid player in the NFL to validate him. 

 

Since there's "a lot of folks" that want to do what you said above, you should have no problem pointing some of them out, right?

[Mr. Scot]

The fact is that Cam *ALREADY* "took less".

Its called the Rookie Salary Cap of which his rookie class was the first member.

Look up Sam Bradford's rookie contract.

Then look up Cam Newton's.

Now explain to me about "taking less" again.

That was lousy timing for Newton and others, but tough to argue that wasn't the right move for the League.

Bradford got paid way more than he'd have ever actually earned (and he's only one of many examples).

[CatMan72]

I didn't miss the point at all. Wilson threw 5 picks all season versus 20 TDs. Cam threw 18 TDs and 12 picks so clearly Wilsons stats with arguably not that many weapons other than Lynch was much better than Cam.

Of the 8 games we won last year of which 6 he played, he had interceptions In 3 of them. So the old if he throws one interception we lose is hype not reality. The bigger question that does explain things is how many games do we lose when he throws more touchdowns than he throws picks? Or when he throws multiple touchdowns and 1 or less Interceptions. Truth is that he had 1 three touchdown game all year and 9 games where he threw 1 or none. Hard to win when you don't put up many points and your running game is hurting.

So that's a 6 game sample, go look at our overall W/L record when Cam throws at leat one pick. Kearse and Baldwin are vastly underrated, then you throw in Lynch and the much better protection Wilson benefits from and there is no comparison. We both know our team would never survive a 4 pick playoff game.

[tiger7_88]

And had Cam played for Saban, you'd be right there with me.

 

 

You must have missed me defending Amari Cooper as the #1 receiver in the draft vs. the Kevin White proponents in the WR Combine thread yesterday. 

[tiger7_88]

That was lousy timing for Newton and others, but tough to argue that wasn't the right move for the League.

Bradford got paid way more than he'd have ever actually earned (and he's only one of many examples).

 

I think it was a great move by the league.

 

But I think you "Cam should take less" proponents conveniently ignore the fact that he already has.

 

The fact that his team was STILL in salary cap hell while he was "taking less" is no fault of Cam's.

[Mr. Scot]

I think it was a great move by the league.

But I think you "Cam should take less" proponents conveniently ignore the fact that he already has.

The fact that his team was STILL in salary cap hell while he was "taking less" is no fault of Cam's.

Understood, but 'less' is rather relative here.

Cam is going to make plenty of money, certainly more (regardless of what Auburn detractors might suggest) than he's ever seen in his lifetime.

For my part, I honestly don't give a rat's ass whether it's higher than Luck, Wilson, Rodgers or anyone else. That's not how I value a player.

But it's his bank account, so what he cares about is his own decision.

And mind you, I do find the notion that Luck could wind up earning more than QBs with loads more experience and success and actual Super Bowl rings to be absurd.

[t96]

Understood, but 'less' is rather relative here.

Cam is going to make plenty of money, certainly more (regardless of what Auburn detractors might suggest) than he's ever seen in his lifetime.

For my part, I honestly don't give a rat's ass whether it's higher than Luck, Wilson, Rodgers or anyone else. That's not how I value a player.

But it's his bank account, so what he cares about is his own decision.

And mind you, I do find the notion that Luck could wind up earning more than QBs with loads more experience and success and actual Super Bowl rings to be absurd.

The Flacco contract started it all. Got wayyyyyy more than he's worth because of one good playoff series and Super Bowl win. He's making more than elite QBs and now it's impossible not to give Cam, Wilson and Luck more than him.

[Mr. Scot]

The Flacco contract started it all. Got wayyyyyy more than he's worth because of one good playoff series and Super Bowl win. He's making more than elite QBs and now it's impossible not to give Cam, Wilson and Luck more than him.

Technically, Wilson can say he has a ring too.

(the fact that he earned it as a game manager likely won't be taken into account)

Aaron Rodgers has a Super Bowl ring and an MVP on his resume'. The notion that he'll wind up earning less then a kid whose biggest accomplishment thus far is getting blown out in a conference championship game just makes me shake my head.

[Kevin Greene]

The Flacco contract started it all. Got wayyyyyy more than he's worth because of one good playoff series and Super Bowl win. He's making more than elite QBs and now it's impossible not to give Cam, Wilson and Luck more than him.

 

 

Have you looked at Flacco's career work?

He's 10-5 in Playoff games, has lead his team to the Playoffs 6 of his 7 years in the NFL and has won at least one game every Post Season.

This guy is a top tier NFL QB and has earned his money.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlacJo00.htm

 

Now in the last 5 years the Raven's defenses have ranked, 8,12,17, 3 and 10 so don't tell me it's all defense.