It's Been a Slow Free Agency For Us...Or Has It?

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28 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I'm not even asking for a drastic change, we need to find a way to balance things out and meet in the middle, this whole "we only built through the draft" philosophy has gotten us no championships, and while teams like the patriots and ravens are adapting we are stuck in the old mind frame. 

 

As for this years draft, I don't think are many rookies out there ready to contribute to a SB caliber team right away. Just look at last season both Shaq and Funchess  had small roles, I don't expect much from rookies so that's I wanted a solid free agent. whose ready to contribute right away.

 

See, there's the rub. Yes it is getting increasingly more difficult for rookies to grab starting jobs on this team. But what few holes we have, very well could be taken care of by our 1st 2 picks. 1st round DT, and 2nd round CB. Of course that would entail Gman to draft for need. But hey, tough times call for tough measures.

 

We drafted KK in the second. Let's get him a line-mate in the 1st. No reason to think the kid won't be able to contribute in the rotation. Same with a 2nd round NB. The chances are good he may be talented enough to contribute as well.

 

Our roster is pretty well set. But we need another DT, and competition at NB. Grab those 2 in the draft. And we are better than last year. Not counting the other draft picks that may contribute this year. And we don't need any more FA.

 

Now granted. If we brought in Vets at DT, and NB that could actually perform and contribute. We could go back to drafting BPA and not bat an eye. And we would still be better than last year.

 

If we draft a good DT, we will not be bringing in any more Vets. If we don't draft a DT, we will be bringing in another Vet DT.

 

If we draft a good NB, we may yet bring in a Vet. That group is still young. But if we don't draft a NB, we may bring in multiple Vets.

 

Those are the only FA left, that have a chance to come here.

 

Ah hellz. I don't know anymore what I even know. Got me all turned around.

 

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Sillier than someone saying the Vikings and Panthers having the same offense? 

Don't think I forgot you slandering Mike Wallace, only for Ozzie Newsome to end up signing him. but let me guess you know more than a two time SB winning GM

Theyre both Coryell systems. And again, i know you don't know what that means but Vikes OC Norv Turner is a guy Rivera wanted here.

As to Ozzie Newsome, he's great, but not perfect. Where did the Ravens finish last season? Where did we? Beyond that though, if you think Newsome is a wild spender in free agency, think again 

Look, kid. You're what, 13? Maybe 14? Don't know, but I can tell for sure you don't know jack about how it works in the real world. Especially when it comes to football.

You're so caught up in wanting to see the team sign somebody you've heard of that it's actually become more important to you than whether we win a Super Bowl. Take a moment and think how ridiculous that sounds.

Here's some basic truths you're just gonna have to deal with...

Dave Gettleman is a successful GM. Heck, right now he's actually one of the most successful GMs in the NFL.

That means he's not getting fired and he's gonna be running the team for the next several years.

And that means that even when he does step down, he'll choose his successor.

Which means that this philosophy of running the team is going to stay in place for a long, long long time.

(and heck, given that it's working, there's no reason for anybody to want it to change)

So you've basically got two choices: You can either learn to live with it or you can find a different team to cheer for. Hanging around here moaning about it is a waste of everybody's time and just makes you look like a whiny little baby.

Bottom Line: Nothing's changing. Either deal with it or go cheer for someone else, but either way stop crying like a little twerp because we didn't sign the guys you want.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

oh yeah, ozzie newsome.  let's talk about him.

newsome was on baltimore's staff when they won in 2000 but he wasn't their GM then.  his first several seasons in the big chair were unarguably a mixed bag.  he took over as the ravens' GM in late 2002 and that team would subsequently go five straight years without a playoff win.  two losing seasons, one non-playoff year at 9-7, two one-and-dones.  first round picks spent on the likes of kyle boller, mark clayton, and dwan edwards mixed in with the ed reeds and terrell suggs.

he wasn't particularly good out of the gate.  in fact, gettleman's 2015 NFL Executive of the Year Dave Gettleman's first three years as a GM absolutely destroy his.  it's funny to think about how newsome probably would have been fired after like 2007 if the howler monkeys had had their way.

[Cpt slay a ho]

cb an wr had value in free agency this year, affordable value. De,OT wasn't worth the money, would rather draft those postions

 

S our other need, still has value there, almost all the FA at S are better then roman harper.

 

wr and cb are the two positions i'm kinda scratching my head that we didn't bring anybody in, especially after two major injuries to starting guys 

[SetfreexX]

I think the WR depth isn't as questionable as some may think, if we truly are in the mind set of player development what free agent receiver is gonna crack our top 3 (which would hamper development) >>> Benjamin, Funchess, Ginn is IMO a very good top 3 especially considering Olsen as the lead TE. 

I think what we are seeing for the FIRST time is a team that has receiver depth, I'd be more concerned about TE depth than WR at this point. I wouldn't mind a free agent receiver but who's available that is better than what we already have? I'm good with drafting another receiver or two if that is the plan to round out the bottom of the depth chart. 

Same deal for DB / S >> We seemingly have our starters, Bene was a rookie starter at nickel, i think we will draft that position / Norman insurance for next year. As with Safety Coleman is still young, and Boston is entering his 3rd season, It seems the plan is to draft there as well. However safety is another position I'd at least like to see some veteran competition for training camp added. 

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

I can't believe fans in here are STILL bitching about our lack of moves in free agency. You would think after three years of success would alter their state of minds. We just got back from the Super Bowl, and yet we gotta spend big bucks on big name free agents because The Broncos did? That's great. Look, unlike you dimwits, I want my team to stick together and go to the playoffs every season. I don't want a band of mercenaries that'll drain the cap and leave the moment arises to another team for even more money.

Yeah, Denver won the Super Bowl but it'll be a long, long time before we see them have stable success. We've been to the playoffs three years in a row now and our core is still young. Also, I don't know about you dingbats but I also want to be able to extend our next stud(s) or superstar(s) whether he comes in this draft or the next. 

Consider which fans are doing the complaining.

This isn't exactly our "best and brightest" we're talking about.

[KSpan]

9 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I'm not even asking for a drastic change, we need to find a way to balance things out and meet in the middle, this whole "we only built through the draft" philosophy has gotten us no championships, and while teams like the patriots and ravens are adapting we are stuck in the old mind frame. 

 

As for this years draft, I don't think are many rookies out there ready to contribute to a SB caliber team right away. Just look at last season both Shaq and Funchess  had small roles, I don't expect much from rookies so that's I wanted a solid free agent. whose ready to contribute right away.

This whole "we build through the draft" thing has only been going on for 3 years under someone who is a competent drafter, and there was a giant salary mess to clean up in the process. In that time the team has won 3 consecutive division titles and been to the Super Bowl while teams like the Patriots have had FO continuity for a decade or more, allowing them to craft their own salary cap situation rather than be constrained by it. Your point makes little sense.

[GoobyPls]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Theyre both Coryell systems. And again, i know you don't know what that means but Vikes OC Norv Turner is a guy Rivera wanted here.

As to Ozzie Newsome, he's great, but not perfect. Where did the Ravens finish last season? Where did we? Beyond that though, if you think Newsome is a wild spender in free agency, think again 

Look, kid. You're what, 13? Maybe 14? Don't know, but I can tell for sure you don't know jack about how it works in the real world. Especially when it comes to football.

You're so caught up in wanting to see the team sign somebody you've heard of that it's actually become more important to you than whether we win a Super Bowl. Take a moment and think how ridiculous that sounds.

Here's some basic truths you're just gonna have to deal with...

Dave Gettleman is a successful GM. Heck, right now he's actually one of the most successful GMs in the NFL.

That means he's not getting fired and he's gonna be running the team for the next several years.

And that means that even when he does step down, he'll choose his successor.

Which means that this philosophy of running the team is going to stay in place for a long, long long time.

(and heck, given that it's working, there's no reason for anybody to want it to change)

So you've basically got two choices: You can either learn to live with it or you can find a different team to cheer for. Hanging around here moaning about it is a waste of everybody's time and just makes you look like a whiny little baby.

Bottom Line: Nothing's changing. Either deal with it or go cheer for someone else, but either way stop crying like a little twerp because we didn't sign the guys you want.

Let me understand your logic Norv Turner had one of style of offense in SD so he had to run that same style of offense in Minnesota cause you said so LOL, spoken like someone whose never watched another team play, do you even have the Sunday ticket? 

 

I can some up your childish rant pretty quickly, I don't care if we win a SB as long as Gettleman keep running the team in a conservative fashion.

 

You have DG nuts so far down your throat he can come out tommorow saying we are trading Cam for draft picks you would agree with him, what ever the Fuhrer says huh? Don't dare speak against the master.

 

Ozzie does what's neccacary, last year the Ravens lost about every significant starter to injury, he didn't sit still and let every FA pass him by. You bring up not making the playoffs yet forget 5 straight winning records with a SB to top it off.

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

This whole "we build through the draft" thing has only been going on for 3 years under someone who is a competent drafter, and there was a giant salary mess to clean up in the process. In that time the team has won 3 consecutive division titles and been to the Super Bowl while teams like the Patriots have had FO continuity for a decade or more, allowing them to craft their own salary cap situation rather than be constrained by it. Your point makes little sense.

Eh wrong, we have never consistently spend money on free agents or made trades since our franchise started, signing our own players doesn't count. You would have to back to Ken Lucas and Mike Wahle the last time we made a so called splash move in free agency, which really weren't splash moves. just a little out of our norm.

 

And this whole Cap excuse, we had money this off season, at this point we are just being frugal. It's like Bush/Obama in here, Hurney would get blamed a decade from now for moves Gettleman refused to make

[KSpan]

2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Eh wrong, we have never consistently spend money on free agents or made trades since our franchise started, signing our own players doesn't count. You would have to back to Ken Lucas and Mike Wahle the last time we made a so called splash move in free agency, which really weren't splash moves. just a little out of our norm.

 

And this whole Cap excuse, we had money this off season, at this point we are just being frugal. It's like Bush/Obama in here, Hurney would get blamed a decade from now for moves Gettleman refused to make

Re-read the part of my comment where I note that this is the first time the team has had a competent drafter who can actually execute the strategy. And your point about being frugal has a lot to do with our internal stars such as Short, Star, Turner, and others who will require significant cap space in the near future.

When was the last time Carolina had so many homegrown stars? The signings will come when the value is there.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

if gettleman brought in a top tier free agent at the cost of, say, retaining kelvin benjamin when his contract comes up would it be worth it?

[GoobyPls]

27 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Re-read the part of my comment where I note that this is the first time the team has had a competent drafter who can actually execute the strategy. And your point about being frugal has a lot to do with our internal stars such as Short, Star, Turner, and others who will require significant cap space in the near future.

When was the last time Carolina had so many homegrown stars? The signings will come when the value is there.

Out of all the guys you mentioned Short is the only one in the "near future" that requires cap space, Turner is in his third season Star has the 5th year extension available. And the cap will increase next season either way.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Let me understand your logic Norv Turner had one of style of offense in SD so he had to run that same style of offense in Minnesota cause you said so LOL, spoken like someone whose never watched another team play, do you even have the Sunday ticket? 

I can some up your childish rant pretty quickly, I don't care if we win a SB as long as Gettleman keep running the team in a conservative fashion.

You have DG nuts so far down your throat he can come out tommorow saying we are trading Cam for draft picks you would agree with him, what ever the Fuhrer says huh? Don't dare speak against the master.

Ozzie does what's neccacary, last year the Ravens lost about every significant starter to injury, he didn't sit still and let every FA pass him by. You bring up not making the playoffs yet forget 5 straight winning records with a SB to top it off.

Kid, we both know that you wouldn't know a Coryell from a WCO from an Erhardt-Perkins from a whatever, so let's just drop that whole facade, shall we?

But more than that, this statement...

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I don't care if we win a SB as long as Gettleman keep running the team in a conservative fashion.

...is sheer and utter stupidity.

If how a team runs free agency really matters more to you than whether or not they win a Super Bowl, You're absolutely too much of a moron to even talk to.

Me? I'm gonna sit back and enjoy watching my team be a perennial contender while you sit in the corner and pout over then not signing the guys you want.  That's a pretty pathetic niche you're carving out for yourself, but hey, your life.

[KSpan]

36 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Out of all the guys you mentioned Short is the only one in the "near future" that requires cap space, Turner is in his third season Star has the 5th year extension available. And the cap will increase next season either way.

 

 

Cap increases are fool's gold since salaries inflate right along with them, 5th year extensions typically come with significant increases, and guys like Ginn, Oher, Kalil, Remmers, and Kurt Coleman are also FAs after next season. Will they all break the bank? No, but they will all probably be in line for tidy raises or, in Kalil's case, still a nice salary.

Point being that cap management absolutely is about a long-term 'frugality,' but frugal doesn't mean cheap.