Does Darryl Williams have a legit shot at replacing Mike Remmers?

[caatfan]

For a guy who didn't get drafted and didn't get liked much by 5 different NFL teams prior to getting picked up by the Panthers, I'd say Remmers has been pretty serviceable. 

[Khyber53]

10 minutes ago, Growl said:

Again, being ranked at the bottom four of starters at your position isn't "satisfactory" nor is it "admirable" or "a solid job" or "other stupid cliche used to build up a bad player because he has a panther logo on his helmet"

 

He is a bad football player. This isn't a case of "yeah maybe we could do better" its a case of "we absolutely should find someone better"

 

The narrative that he is a"a solid football player, broes" needs to go away as quickly as possible before we get sucked into having this bad football player starting for our team for an extended period of time, costing us more games single handedly.

Wow, did you even watch the games all season or just Madden them and read the Huddle?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

also if we're discussing the atlanta game i'd lay just as much blame at the feet of rivera/shula for taking the ball out of CAP's hands as i would on remmers

[pantherclaw]

Remmers has been better than anyone expected from him. He has also gotten better. Remmers 8s not the only quality tackle to get abused by Denver's pass rush.  It's his job to lose.

I sure do love the potential of Daryl Williams. He has the makings of a very solid tackle. I pray he stays healthy, so he gets an opportunity to prove it to us all. 

 

[Kuech the Sneak]

I think williams takes remmers job this season, looked to be well on track before getting injured week 1

[MadHatter]

1 hour ago, IGSaint said:

Remmers is not the answer full stop. He choked when it counted. 

A lot of guys choked in the SB....including Tolbert, Cam, Norman, etc. 

[KSpan]

18 minutes ago, Growl said:

Again, being ranked at the bottom four of starters at your position isn't "satisfactory" nor is it "admirable" or "a solid job" or "other stupid cliche used to build up a bad player because he has a panther logo on his helmet"

 

He is a bad football player. This isn't a case of "yeah maybe we could do better" its a case of "we absolutely should find someone better"

 

The narrative that he is a"a solid football player, broes" needs to go away as quickly as possible before we get sucked into having this bad football player starting for our team for an extended period of time, costing us more games single handedly.

The burden of proof is on you to support that he's a 'bad player', because common metrics (e.g. PFF), Carolina's offensive performance with him on the field, the general 'eye test' and common sense don't really back up your case. The argument isn't that he's an untouchable star or that Carolina shouldn't upgrade, because pretty much everyone here believes that there should be competition and/or that Williams can be a better tackle - it's that you're incorrect in claiming that he's a Bell/Chandler-level player. "Average" doesn't mean "all-pro", but it doesn't mean "bad" either.

[Growl]

11 minutes ago, Bartin said:

By what metric was Remmers ranked in the bottom 4 of starters at RT? He was middle of the pack by PFF.

my apologies, as a pass protector. I misread it. Doesn't invalidate my point. and given that his counter part was additionally a terrible pass protector, the team needs to decide if Daryl Williams has a future or if OT is massive priority (again) 

 

They're both in the last year of their deals regardless

 

[Kuech the Sneak]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

my apologies, as a pass protector. I misread it. Doesn't invalidate my point. and given that his counter part was additionally a terrible pass protector, the team needs to decide if Daryl Williams has a future or if OT is massive priority (again) 

 

They're both in the last year of their deals regardless

 

Are you suggesting Oher was a terrible pass protector? That's just plain wrong

[Growl]

7 minutes ago, KSpan said:

The burden of proof is on you to support that he's a 'bad player', because common metrics (e.g. PFF), Carolina's offensive performance with him on the field, the general 'eye test' and common sense don't really back up your case. The argument isn't that he's an untouchable star or that Carolina shouldn't upgrade, because pretty much everyone here believes that there should be competition and/or that Williams can be a better tackle - it's that you're incorrect in claiming that he's a Bell/Chandler-level player. "Average" doesn't mean "all-pro", but it doesn't mean "bad" either.

lol did you just try to put forth his performance on the field as an example of why he's this commanding anchor of solidarity that will admirably hold down the line for years by virute of your hallowed eye test (an intricate examination no doubt performed by a savant like yourself)

 

Teams willfully started attacking him once it became evident he was the weak link on the offensive line, and he was the goat in our losses because of it. I fear what would happen if we didn't have the QB we did.

[KSpan]

3 minutes ago, Growl said:

lol did you just try to put forth his performance on the field as an example of why he's this commanding anchor of solidarity that will admirably hold down the line for years by virute of your hallowed eye test (an intricate examination no doubt performed by a savant like yourself)

 

Teams willfully started attacking him once it became evident he was the weak link on the offensive line, and he was the goat in our losses because of it. I fear what would happen if we didn't have the QB we did.

Are you even reading what's being written?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

19 minutes ago, Kuech the Sneak said:

Are you suggesting Oher was a terrible pass protector? That's just plain wrong

 

 

 

 

 

his overall was dragged wayyyy down by how bad he graded as a run blocker, but that's no big secret

[Growl]

I've learned three things from this thread

 

1) I'm incredibly lazy reading PFFs grades and will take full credit for that

2) the Brenton bersin syndrome is alive and well, where every plucky white player with 'grit' and hair is gifted endless grace regardless of his performance on the field

3) the need at OT is much greater than I thought. Before when I saw mocks projecting us an OT I'd say "there are better ways we could go" but after really digging into in this thread, looking at the situation we're in with our OTs, it's even more apparent than before that we-for like the 5th consecutive season-have a major need at OT. Even if Daryl Williams is somebody who can be counted on, neither Oher or Remmers are guys I want to give long term contracts to

[DeeJay]

I don't care what any of you say, 

HES MEAN HES NASTY HES GONNA BE OUR NEW STARTER!