I Don't Get The Celebration Here...

[Don137]

New England and Pittsburgh never overpaid players and let them walk. Championship teams do to stay competitive every year. DG doing same thing. I applaud him not overpaying to keep the competitive for years to come.

[uscgamecocks]

No one wins in this situation.  The team will be worse without Josh.  Josh is now going to get paid on a cellar dweller and will likely toil away in relative obscurity.

But Gettleman handled his fine.  I'm sure we made our best and final offer and Josh didn't agree to it.  He also did not sign the tag and may have been threatening to hold out.  He took his contract demands public.  

In a way, he forced the panthers hands. He could have signed the tag and continued to negotiate a long term deal - but he wanted to maximize his leverage by not signing. Fair play, but his agent might have misjudged our willingness to walk.  

I don't blame him for wanting or getting his long term deal.  He's earned it.

[enikville]

6 hours ago, bleedsgreenandgold said:

I'm pretty sure the majority of fans here would have been content with a 3 year deal worth 27-33 million, anything other than that no one blames him in heading to the 49ers, Jags, Browns, etc.

 

Jags might be the best SB bet for him. 

If SB means Super Bowl, you might have celebrated 420 a little too much.

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, Rags said:

Your reading is amazing. Spot on. A fugin' plus.

I've already said, multiple times (once in this thread, and plenty of times in others) that losing Josh hurts. There is no one that we can sign or draft this year that will replace the talent and presence he brought last year, or would bring (if he was happy) this year.

But one CB, espically by a team that runs heavy zone coverage, isn't going to break us. We still have Cam, Luke, TD, Short, Olsen, KB, Stew, Early, Star, not to mention Bene and Boykin...yeah man let me mourn the 2016-17 Panthers I'll buy the casket and start prepping the wake.

And yeah no its not like I haven't questioned Gettleman before in the past (cutting Smitty) and it's not like I haven't recently said I'd question one of his possible future moves (Drafting Derrick Henry in the 1st) I'M JUST ONE OF THOSE DADGUM GETTLEMAN DICK SUCKERS THAT BLINDLY TRUSTS HIM MMMMM YEAH GETTLEMAN TRADE CAM TRADE LUKE CUM ON MY FACE JUST LIKE THAT

Your everyone is wrong but me reactions have grown tiresome as the are based on constant self-sustained ignorance. It's tiring. You're tiring. Your act is played out.

It hasn't even been a full day and your telling people to get over it, you don't make any sense 

 

You say my act grows tiresome yet your the one who replied to my comment in the first place with your typical non sense. I pretty much quoted every stooge with my original post.

 

The fact is it was a stupid move to cut him when we could at the very least rented him for this upcoming season, and I'm gonna criticize the front office for it. You can throw Norman under bus I don't give a fug. Not even Belichik is this stubborn.

[Catufb85]

I do agree with you that Norman is a good size piece of the puzzle and played at an elite level. But it's about the Team and not about one player.  It's the philosophy that has gotten the Panthers to where they are at and again Gettleman won't jeopardize the team for one Superstar 

[Rags]

53 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

It hasn't even been a full day and your telling people to get over it, you don't make any sense 

 

You say my act grows tiresome yet your the one who replied to my comment in the first place with your typical non sense. I pretty much quoted every stooge with my original post.

 

The fact is it was a stupid move to cut him when we could at the very least rented him for this upcoming season, and I'm gonna criticize the front office for it. You can throw Norman under bus I don't give a fug. Not even Belichik is this stubborn.

The fact that you are completely serious and don't realize how ironic you are is so hilarious and cute. Seriously. Its adorable. Like kittens.

Show me. Show me where I've told people to get over it. Show me where I've told anyone to just suck it up and move on? 

I haven't. I know people are upset. Hell I'M upset. I'm gonna miss Josh. He was one of my favorite Panthers and he's the type of CB I've always wanted Carolina to have. The fact that we've only had him playing at this level for only one full year...kinda makes me really sad honestly. I'll miss his crazy quotes, his competitive spirit, how hype he got after plays. Hell I was hoping he'd show up at the draft party this year so I could meet him.

There's a difference between being upset and irrational.

You've berated people for moving on already, looking forward to any comp pucks we may get. For saying that we'll be fine without Josh (being fine without doesn't mean we won't miss him and his talent will be replaced BTW. You seem to think that.) And anyone who generally seems to accept or be okay with this move. You act like he's the end all, be all of this team and, somehow keep acting like Letting Josh Go is the same as Trading Cam and that they hold equivalant improtance to the team. That's an amazing feat of logical gymnastics you've pulled there. A+.

Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and is a mindless Gentleman knob sloberer in your eyes. 

And I have never thrown Josh under the bus, in the past and even now I've said multiple times Josh isn't wrong for chasing money, I've called out people who've said otherwise or called him greedy. Let him chase money. He's earned it.

Finally, it doesn't take a Genius to figure out what happened here. We either signed him or he didn't play. He even asked for a trade. He obviously wanted his money now, and while that's okay, the world knew he wasn't getting that here. 

Would you rent something, for 14 mil, that didn't work? Sure he could've recanted and eventually played but Gentleman wasn't taking that risk. I don't blame him. Holdouts are huge distractions (see, Seahawks last year) and can cause major problems in the locker room, and as seen with Smitty, Gentleman has zero tolerance for that. 

 

We've done one years before. Hell that's Gettlemans backbone for signing players. But what good would that do if he's just wasting Cap, not playing, or playing at a lower level (or hurt, like many players who go into extended holdouts get hurt) do?

 

There, I've picked apart literally all of your comebacks (again). I'mma go get some coffee and a breakfast plate from the Kinlaws then see what you crawl back at me with.

 

[panthers55]

7 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

But, that's not what happened either, P55.  We can't say he refused to accept what was offered because as i mentioned, this happens nearly every offseason with a player.  The team and player can't reach an agreement, the player is tendered with the tag, player says they might hold out, player refuses to sign it, player doesn't attend team practices or functions, player finally either signs it ir reaches a long term agreement and goes back to work.  That's negotiations now.

GMan didn't allow that process to play out.  So, we can't say he "refused."

But Gettleman franchised him so they could work out a long term deal. From what I have read, there was a sense that negotiations were going nowhere and there was no movement so Gettleman moved on.  You act as if Gettleman hasn't negotiated with folks before and doesn't know when to hang tough and when to cut bait. This may have been Josh's first big negotiation but it isn't Gettleman. 

Plus you don't know why Gettleman pulled the plug. I heard negotiations weren't going well at all and perhaps the Panthers didn't want a holdout because it sets a negative precedence and while it may be commonplace elsewhere it isn't here. So to assume that Gettleman acted in bad faith is a stretch and points out your bias moreso than it reflects poorly on Gettleman or the Panthers

[d-dave]

I get that many of us here are upset and confused. Josh was an entertaining player and interview.  It was awesome to watch him grow into maturity as a player and person.  He's a Carolina boy and wanted to remain a Carolina boy for a price.  I don't think anyone is really excited and full of joy to see him leave, but the way our GM has handled players has been "exciting" if nothing else.

While both us and Josh lose out, he now has a chance to make his mega contract, which in his eyes he earned.  We were never going to pay him Revis money, especially at his age.  Instead, we offered him a high value contract (from Gettleman's perspective) that would allow him to make a lot more than he was and allow him to remain on a Super Bowl contender.  Now we're going to have to figure this one out, and Josh's choices are fairly bleak.

Sure, folks are making noise that Jacksonville could be the 2015 Panthers, but the rest of the teams aren't in championship position for several years due to QB or over all management issues.  I don't think either us or Josh has the ego to make nice after this one.  We can all wish him happy trails, because the likelihood of him getting the money he wants and a ring are much dodgier.

[London Loves Luke]

Gooby and Rags arguing about a Gettleman move... feels like 2013 all over again.

[punkpanther]

I Don't think he was ever getting a long term deal here. He is just not a Gettleman guy. Too flashy, a bit of a loose cannon. Great player , but in the end I don't believe that Gettleman trusted him to stay out of trouble and keep his play at the level it was last year once he got paid. Easy choice really, 

[GoobyPls]

58 minutes ago, Rags said:

The fact that you are completely serious and don't realize how ironic you are is so hilarious and cute. Seriously. Its adorable. Like kittens.

Show me. Show me where I've told people to get over it. Show me where I've told anyone to just suck it up and move on? 

I haven't. I know people are upset. Hell I'M upset. I'm gonna miss Josh. He was one of my favorite Panthers and he's the type of CB I've always wanted Carolina to have. The fact that we've only had him playing at this level for only one full year...kinda makes me really sad honestly. I'll miss his crazy quotes, his competitive spirit, how hype he got after plays. Hell I was hoping he'd show up at the draft party this year so I could meet him.

There's a difference between being upset and irrational.

You've berated people for moving on already, looking forward to any comp pucks we may get. For saying that we'll be fine without Josh (being fine without doesn't mean we won't miss him and his talent will be replaced BTW. You seem to think that.) And anyone who generally seems to accept or be okay with this move. You act like he's the end all, be all of this team and, somehow keep acting like Letting Josh Go is the same as Trading Cam and that they hold equivalant improtance to the team. That's an amazing feat of logical gymnastics you've pulled there. A+.

Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and is a mindless Gentleman knob sloberer in your eyes. 

And I have never thrown Josh under the bus, in the past and even now I've said multiple times Josh isn't wrong for chasing money, I've called out people who've said otherwise or called him greedy. Let him chase money. He's earned it.

Finally, it doesn't take a Genius to figure out what happened here. We either signed him or he didn't play. He even asked for a trade. He obviously wanted his money now, and while that's okay, the world knew he wasn't getting that here. 

Would you rent something, for 14 mil, that didn't work? Sure he could've recanted and eventually played but Gentleman wasn't taking that risk. I don't blame him. Holdouts are huge distractions (see, Seahawks last year) and can cause major problems in the locker room, and as seen with Smitty, Gentleman has zero tolerance for that. 

 

We've done one years before. Hell that's Gettlemans backbone for signing players. But what good would that do if he's just wasting Cap, not playing, or playing at a lower level (or hurt, like many players who go into extended holdouts get hurt) do?

 

There, I've picked apart literally all of your comebacks (again). I'mma go get some coffee and a breakfast plate from the Kinlaws then see what you crawl back at me with.

 

Do you want me to start quoting your original remarks?

 

Its obvious your one of the people that was happy Josh was leaving, you took direct offense when I said there were morons celebrating over the possibility of getting 3rd round pick for an all pro corner. Now your trying to change your tune

 

And lets be honest there are people in this forum that think DG can do no wrong and pretty much repeat the same garbage for every move he does or doesn't do. (The future, he knows more than you, I don't question his moves ext...) it's broken recorder. So my statement about trading Cam isn't that far fetched at all, people in here have catapulted him to the face of the franchise.

 

And you keep saying Norman was gonna hold out and not play, how do you know? How? Almost every player that holds out in the off season ends up signing by training camp. Please tell me the last time a player held out the entire season?

 

It's pretty obvious what happen, Gettleman is a stubborn short fused SOB and made a brash move after getting into a heated argument with Norman and his agent.

 

When was the last time a team cut a player that was tagged? Just like that, this is unheard of.

You keep bringing up the locker room as if every team that wins a SB has a perfect locker room atmosphere, this isn't the movies. Plus I'm pretty sure players are more upset at this than if Norman held out.

[Jeremy Igo]

3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Do you want me to start quoting your original remarks?

 

Its obvious your one of the people that was happy Josh was leaving, you took direct offense when I said there were morons celebrating over the possibility of getting 3rd round pick for an all pro corner. Now your trying to change your tune

 

And lets be honest there are people in this forum that think DG can do no wrong and pretty much repeat the same garbage for every move he does or doesn't do. (The future, he knows more than you, I don't question his moves ext...) it's broken recorder. So my statement about trading Cam isn't that far fetched at all, people in here have catapulted him to the face of the franchise.

 

And you keep saying Norman was gonna hold out and not play, how do you know? How? Almost every player that holds out in the off season ends up signing by training camp. Please tell me the last time a player held out the entire season?

 

It's pretty obvious what happen, Gettleman is a stubborn short fused SOB and made a brash move after getting into a heated argument with Norman and his agent.

 

When was the last time a team cut a player that was tagged? Just like that, this is unheard of.

You keep bringing up the locker room as if every team that wins a SB has a perfect looked on atmosphere, this isn't the movies. Plus I'm pretty sure players are more upset at this than if Norman held out.

 

Gettleman took a terribly cap strapped and under talented team to a Superbowl in three seasons and now has lots of cap room and two of the leagues absolute best signed long term. 

 

At some point you should realize how little you know and just go with Dave.  

[GoobyPls]

3 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

 

Cam[\b] took a terribly cap strapped and under talented team to a Superbowl in three seasons and now has lots of cap room and two of the leagues absolute best signed long term. 

 

At some point you should realize how little you know and just go with Dave.  

Fixed it for you

[Proudiddy]

49 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

But Gettleman franchised him so they could work out a long term deal. From what I have read, there was a sense that negotiations were going nowhere and there was no movement so Gettleman moved on.  You act as if Gettleman hasn't negotiated with folks before and doesn't know when to hang tough and when to cut bait. This may have been Josh's first big negotiation but it isn't Gettleman. 

Plus you don't know why Gettleman pulled the plug. I heard negotiations weren't going well at all and perhaps the Panthers didn't want a holdout because it sets a negative precedence and while it may be commonplace elsewhere it isn't here. So to assume that Gettleman acted in bad faith is a stretch and points out your bias moreso than it reflects poorly on Gettleman or the Panthers

I think you're inferring a lot.  I'm not intending to day he acted in bad faith, I just think he has a short fuse and doesn't take kindly to being insulted.  Smitty tried him by calling him out and saying Gettleman wouldn't talk to him but was talking to the media, Gettleman almost immediately turned around and released him.

We were supposedly still talking with Josh and his camp, there wasn't much movement, then came rumors that he wasn't coming to offseason workouts and might be a holdout, then almost immediately, Gettleman rescinds the tag and fires him, lol.

That's where i keep bringing pride up.  From the outside looking in, it appears Getts has a short fuse and is quick to fire off the torpedoes if he senses any disrespect.  I don't recall trashing Gettleman throughout this, even in this thread...   and i haven't said he was operating in bad faith.  I just said that I think this incident and the Smitty situation illustrate his lack of patience with certain things, and that may be his one flaw.

I expect him to have another incredible draft, find value from here til the next offseason wherever he can, and for us to compete for a Superbowl with the team he built.  But just like WR has suffered since the release of Smitty and then became an achilles heel for us (both two seasons ago and last season as evident in the superbowl),  i think corner could be a big issue going into next season.