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I Don't Get The Celebration Here...

Proudiddy

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I don't think we can assume what the amounts were, or the stucture of the offers.  We are talking millions, not pocket change. The fact is Josh ddidn't get exactly what he wanted, otherwise he wouldn't feel so hurt by it.

Time for all parties to just move on.

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7 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yes, previously GMan has been supportive of Josh, but "shove it" is the figurative interpretation of what he just literally did with his actions.  That isn't hyperbolic.  He literally just fired him.  What else do you call it?  

If you keep telling me you're worth X, but I say you're worth Y, we can't come to an agreement and I say tell you, "thanks for all you've done, but you'll be working elsewhere now," that is a flowery way of saying, "shove it."  Lol...

I see what you're saying PD and don't disagree totally but...

its DG's job to look out what's best for the company for this contract and future contracts. I think there as a bit of a "I'll make an example" of you. I also think he is trying To handle it like how we would a car salesman if he presented an offer that we didn't like after sitting in the sales office for a few hours. Let's deal or beat feet. 

Strictly business (although can't say not personal ...totally) 

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5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That isn't even close to what happened. It is more like you signed a contract for a job and after doing poorly for 2 1/2 years you reach your potential and exceed it for 18 months. You ask for a huge raise. They increase your salary by 1000% and guarantee it. But you want even more and refuse to take their deal so they allow you to go elsewhere and make more money albeit at a company that might not be as successful. 

That hardly seems like shafting you or embarrassing you. After all they were going to pay you tens of millions of dollars and you turned it down for a few million more. You got exactly what you asked for and now you are sad? I don't get it at all.

But, that's not what happened either, P55.  We can't say he refused to accept what was offered because as i mentioned, this happens nearly every offseason with a player.  The team and player can't reach an agreement, the player is tendered with the tag, player says they might hold out, player refuses to sign it, player doesn't attend team practices or functions, player finally either signs it ir reaches a long term agreement and goes back to work.  That's negotiations now.

GMan didn't allow that process to play out.  So, we can't say he "refused."

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12 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Not taking it personal. Just pointing out the fallacies in your argument. People are laughing at the people who are acting like they know what really happened. Or the ones that are over reacting, like you.

 

You started this with a ill conceived rant. That is what most are "Fist bumping and high fiving" about. Hellz, if anyone should be embarrassed, it ain't Josh. It is you.

Great response.  "People laughing and sharing memes celebrating a great player's departure because our GM is otherworldly badass aren't overreacting, you are overeacting for making note of their actions, because i deemed it so."

All seeing, all knowing, omnipotent poster whom has the final word on what constitutes a good argument, a fallacy, and the definition of overreacting, we are done here...  lol.

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1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

Great response.  "People laughing and sharing memes celebrating a great players departure because our GM is otherworldly badass aren't overreacting, you are overeacting for making note of their actions, because i deemed it so."

All seeing, all knowing, omnipotent poster whom has the final word on what constitutes a good argument, a fallacy, and the definition of overreacting, we are done here...  lol.

personally, people are just dealing with the news in their own way.  We all cope differently.

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Proudiddy has always been prone to make an extremely exaggerated and irrational rant following literally any panther news that's even considered of minimal importance. He always reacts in a highly emotionally driven manner. I knew this thread was coming as soon as the news broke.

It's not that he doesn't have any valid points in all this, it's just usually mired in so much hyperbolic nonsense that everyone just tends to throw the baby out with the bathwater as far as his op is concerned.

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37 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

 

 

Sorry, didn't mean to quote you. Now it won't go away.

 

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Josh was a HUGE part of our success this last season.  He's not perfect, and perhaps he overvalued himself, but he's the perfect fit for us.  And the biggest thing that irks me about all of this high fiving over our GM publicly humiliating him (which brings back horrible memories of the Smitty debacle for me), is that he isn't in the wrong.  This is his livelihood.  This is how he makes a life for himself and his family.  And this is most likely his best and only chance at making the most money he possibly can, and so he did what any person in his position would do - see what the maximum amount he can get is.  And GMan essentially castrates him in front of the world for no other reason but his pride.

This isn't a one off either.  We have done this more than once now with prominent players.  Do you think agents and players will be encouraged to do business with us if they can avoid it when we air their kind out like this?

I respect GMan.  The guy knows his stuff and he has made me eat my crow time and again (except for Smitty lol), but this just stinks to me.  I know it's business and the franchise/team's needs are the priority for me as a fan, but Norman is a good guy.  He laid it all out there for us and at his age, he is looking to maximize what he can make...  he did nothing wrong and fans are here acting like it is a celebratory event that he was embarrassed by our FO and will now most likely be playing elsewhere, while we scramble to find a replacement.  Yay!

 

Yupperz. Statements like these have nothing to do with how folks are treating you thread.

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2 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

While you can say that. Gman has to set the tone with the rest of the roster. Star and KK are coming up for new contracts. Gman can't be bullied and he has to show it. The best thing we can do now is take that 13 million and make this roster better than it was before.

You do it for one and set a precedence next thing you know you are Marty Hurney. 

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