Gettleman's biggest weakness IMO

[csx]

I couldn't care less which round they are taken in if they become good players. 

[Mother Grabber]

"reach" in the draft is a subjective term. it cannot be used as a statistical fact. we have zero data on the panthers draft board, and we also have zero data on any other teams draft board. none of us can ever comment as to when a player could or would have been taken.

all that matters is did we get players who will contribute and start on our team for at least 4-5 years. that is the only measure of the quality of our draft, and we will learn that down the road.

edit: we don't have zero data on the panthers board. Zods insider info has proven to have some real info in it.

[LinvilleGorge]

Can't worry about other teams' values because honestly you just don't know.  Just gotta concentrate on YOUR value.

[MadHatter]

3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

So, we all know Gettleman and his crew can draft.  If we look back over the past 3 years, no one in the league has been better.  

 

However, Gettleman is atrocious at gauging other teams interest in a prospect.  This causes him to consistently draft players based on his perceived value, and not the league consensus value.  He wastes draft picks trading up for players who more than likely would have been available. And takes players rounds early.

 

We can never be certain of this however.  With the players off the board, we can never be certain they wouldn't have been swipped and we can only see the "media experts" draft boards.  But, I hope Gman gets a better handle on this in the future.

I have read many times over the past 10 years that you never worry about what the other teams think.  If you like a guy, you take him.  

[dugbug]

Also, everybody knows Gettleman's biggest weakness are ho hos

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

However, Gettleman is atrocious at gauging other teams interest in a prospect.

How in the living hell do you have ANY idea whether this is true or not?

[dugbug]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

How in the living hell do you have ANY idea whether this is true or not?

Because mel's big board lol

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Gin and Juice said:

I'm gonna explain this one time and hope most of you are smart enough to get it.

Each year in the draft, there are only a handful of players that may stand out a little more than others. Their physical or mental maturity may be SLIGHTLY higher than the remaining draft pool. Of this handful, 60% will be spotted and usually pepper the top 20. There is usually very little human difference between first off the board and UDFA's.

What separates draftees is work ethic and potential in the system of the drafter. Mocks mean nothing unless you know what teams value in their system! How Dave ranks a player will always be better for the Panthers than how Mayock or NFL ranks a player because Dave knows our system!

There are no hidden super humans in the draft. There is no obvious golden egg that we must cheer Dave onto finding. It boils down to who Dave thinks can be a golden egg.

Its a lot like flow testing a bunch of stock engine heads! It's not about which stock head is the best, it's about which head will fit the engine package the best after some machine work and polishing to give the engine the best performance.

Well said.

EXCEPT... there are the very rare exceptions when an individual player can stand out and make it easy.  And they usually stand out so clearly you can easily recognize them.

Cam Newton was such a player.

Adrian Peterson too IMO.

Going even farther back, Bo Jackson and Earl Campbell.

[Sasquatch]

4 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

So, we all know Gettleman and his crew can draft.  If we look back over the past 3 years, no one in the league has been better.  

 

However, Gettleman is atrocious at gauging other teams interest in a prospect.  This causes him to consistently draft players based on his perceived value, and not the league consensus value.  He wastes draft picks trading up for players who more than likely would have been available. And takes players rounds early.

 

We can never be certain of this however.  With the players off the board, we can never be certain they wouldn't have been swipped and we can only see the "media experts" draft boards.  But, I hope Gman gets a better handle on this in the future.

The Panthers draft based on the Panthers' draft board. Not everybody will agree with the ratings. 

 

[Gin and Juice]

44 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Well said.

EXCEPT... there are the very rare exceptions when an individual player can stand out and make it easy.  And they usually stand out so clearly you can easily recognize them.

Cam Newton was such a player.

Adrian Peterson too IMO.

Going even farther back, Bo Jackson and Earl Campbell.

They fall into that handful that I mentioned 

[kmgreensman]

3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

So, we all know Gettleman and his crew can draft.  If we look back over the past 3 years, no one in the league has been better.  

 

However, Gettleman is atrocious at gauging other teams interest in a prospect.  This causes him to consistently draft players based on his perceived value, and not the league consensus value.  He wastes draft picks trading up for players who more than likely would have been available. And takes players rounds early.

 

We can never be certain of this however.  With the players off the board, we can never be certain they wouldn't have been swipped and we can only see the "media experts" draft boards.  But, I hope Gman gets a better handle on this in the future.

First off, what I am about to say, is ONLY my opinion. I am not staring this as fact! Just what I feel)   ok...

I totally agree with the OP here. I don't think Gettleman has a great handle yet on how other teams or GM's value certain players.  I think he may be giving them too much credit, to be honest! 

There are only a handful of other GM's that are as good as Gettleman at evaluation of talent. (IMO)I think Gettleman might be the best at evaluation of "potential" or evaluating what a player "can-be" after coaching.  Seems to me like a good bit of the teams tend to follow closer to the "Mel Kiper's" of the world, where they are grading the player at where they are right now. They tend to pick players that are more polished or had a big college career, or name.etc..(REMEMBER, Just my opinion)  

Someone this weekend was talking about how Ozzie Newsome and how he trades back till he gets to the spot where he feels like he's getting the most value for the player he wants to draft.  One example, in our history where we did that ,was when we traded back and picked Jon Beason (at 24 or 25 wherever he was drafted)...but Gettleman has not done any of that. Only traded up. So that will come with time. 

He talks about a "rookie mistake" and tells the story about his first draft and wanting to select AJ Klein in the 4th round because he had a 3rd round grade on him, but went against it and drafted Kug. He says he was lucky that AJ was still there in round 5, so he snatched him up there.  NOW, that is good drafting to me. IF Kug turned out to be a great player and not a dud,  we would have AJ AND the other player.  Maybe others didn't have the same Grade on AJ Klein and maybe 5th round was the perfect place to draft him. I think you guys know what I am saying.. 

I learned not to question Gettleman's choices of players. I have had to eat crow way too many times. I trust him totally on that. I just think he might not be quite there yet in this one area.  BUT, I know he will get there too. 

I am a HUGE Gettleman fan and thank him so much for making us competitive! I don't know what I would do if I didn't have my Panthers in my life.  More than just a football team. Its OUR football team and represents the Carolinas! I am proud as hell of both! Mr. Gettleman is one New Yorker that I am glad moved south!!! lol  

 

Thanks guys for letting me share my thoughts. I hadn't posted in a while, usually just enjoy reading your thoughts and LOVE this place! 

Curt 

[DeeJay]

If you hate this team so much quit fuging watching and change teams,

I heard the Jags are looking for fans! 

[carolinarolls]

Thread premise is kinda silly

 

Gett:

 

Is disciplined. 

Is primarily interested in what is good for the Carolina Panthers. 

Understands that teams with cap money cannot and should not spend it in the later rounds of the draft. 

 

None of that is "the new Jordans" level flashy but neither am I so I am able to maintain focus and sort out the value there. 

 

 

[ecu88]

5 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

So, we all know Gettleman and his crew can draft.  If we look back over the past 3 years, no one in the league has been better.  

 

However, Gettleman is atrocious at gauging other teams interest in a prospect.  This causes him to consistently draft players based on his perceived value, and not the league consensus value.  He wastes draft picks trading up for players who more than likely would have been available. And takes players rounds early.

 

We can never be certain of this however.  With the players off the board, we can never be certain they wouldn't have been swipped and we can only see the "media experts" draft boards.  But, I hope Gman gets a better handle on this in the future.

Risk Prospect Theory. Over weighing small risk, got to love it. Like you said, who knows what everyone's boards looked like and DG decided how to assess the risk. So far in DG we trust until otherwise.