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2016 NFL DRAFT ROUND 4 GENERAL DISCUSSION

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#Cowboys select DE Charles Tapper with the #101 overall pick

#Chargers select LB Josh Perry with the #102 overall pick

#Jaguars select DT Sheldon Day with the #103 overall pick

#Ravens select CB Tavon Young with the #104 overall pick

#Chiefs select G Parker Ehinger with the #105 overall pick

#Chiefs select CB Eric Murray with the #106 overall pick

#Ravens select WR Chris Moore with the #107 overall pick

#Buccaneers select DB Ryan Smith with the #108 overall pick

#Giants select LB B.J. Goodson with the #109 overall pick

#Rams select TE Tyler Higbee with the #110 overall pick

#Lions select S Miles Killebrew with the #111 overall pick

#Patriots select WR Malcolm Mitchell with the #112 overall pick

#Rams trade the #113 overall pick to the #Bears

#Bears select LB Nick Kwiatkoski with the #113 overall pick

#Browns select WR Ricardo Louis with the #114 overall pick

#Falcons select OLB De'Vondre Campbell with the #115 overall pick

#Colts select DT Hassan Ridgeway with the #116 overall pick

#Rams select WR Pharoh Cooper with the #117 overall pick

Broncos have made/fielded calls about making a trade. Currently have No. 136 (compensatory) in 4th; 2 in 5th (144, 157). #9sports

#Jets select CB Juston Burris with the #118 overall pick

#Texans select RB Tyler Ervin with the #119 overall pick

#Saints select DT David Onyemata with the #120 overall pick

#Vikings select OT Willie Beavers with the #121 overall pick

#Bengals select DT Andrew Billings with the #122 overall pick

#Steelers select OT Jerald Hawkins with the #123 overall pick

#Bears select DB Deon Bush with the #124 overall pick

#Colts select ILB Antonio Morrison with the #125 overall pick

#Chiefs select WR Demarcus Robinson with the #126 overall pick

#Bears select S Deiondre' Hall with the #127 overall pick

#Cardinals select C Evan Boehm with the #128 overall pick

#Browns select S Derrick Kindred with the #129 overall pick

#Ravens select OT Alex Lewis with the #130 overall pick

#Packers select ILB Blake Martinez with the #131 overall pick

#Ravens select DT Willie Henry with the #132 overall pick

#49ers select CB Rashad Robinson with the #133 overall pick

#Ravens select RB Kenneth Dixon with the #134 overall pick

#Cowboys select QB Dak Prescott with the #135 overall pick

#Broncos select RB Devontae Booker with the #136 overall pick

#Packers select DE Dean Lowry with the #137 overall pick

#Browns select WR Seth DeValve with the #138 overall pick

#Bills select QB Cardale Jones  with the #139 overall pick

ROUND 5

#Titans select WR Tajae Sharpe with the #140 overall pick

#Panthers select DB Zach Sanchez with the #141 overall pick

#49ers select DE Ronald Blair with the #142 overall pick

 

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8 minutes ago, MrBubba said:

Jags having nice draft, if Jack gets right could be amazing draft

I'm sure you know this but it's worth typing out

The Jags defense this year is adding: Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsay, and Myles Jack.

Holy fug balls. 

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16 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

Really Really Really hope  Miles Killebrew  falls to us!!!!

 

1 minute ago, SOJA said:

hoping Cash falls to us - really like him- also I wouldn't be upset if we went with a WR or RB prospect 

I love both players, I'm just kinda tired of DBs.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

His combine interviews turned a lot of teams off. Ditto teams that visited with him.

OH I thought they showed him on TV or something and I missed it...yea his post game interviews were kind of awkward...

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