Adjustment going forward- Funch should start with Ted Ginn at 3

[Jimmy]

Funchess played two more snaps than KB did on Sunday 

[csx]

20 minutes ago, 15 said:

the reason funchess doesn't start is because they like to use him as a mismatch tool. a lot of times he is lined up against the weakest DB and his size and speed cause a mismatch. I'd like us to target him more though, that's for sure. 

Funchess started both games.

Debates based on the facts are more interesting.

[csx]

7 minutes ago, 15 said:

is this thread not about ginn being the #2? does that change the fact that he should get more targets?

The thread is about how Funchess should start and Ginn should come in as a 3. Funchess has started both games and you and others keep debating why he doesnt start. He has started both games. Its just funny that facts dont matter to anyone.

[AceBoogie]

The starting WR never matters it's all about what formation and what play call

[Allaine]

On 9/19/2016 at 7:27 AM, Matthias said:

I've said this a thousand times and I'll say it again.  Ted Ginn is better served as being a number 3 receiver, to come in and take the top off of a fearful defense.  However, unlike times in the past when I said this, this is the very first time where Ginn legitimately needs to be the third receiver.  Devin Funchess has earned the number two spot.  He earned the right to an increase in workload on a consistent basis.  I know the argument the coaches make in KB and Funchess being similar in skillset, but let's kill all that noise.  Who cares!  In fact, that makes things a million times better.  We have two titans defenses need to cover.  How can we go wrong with that duo?

So once we get these two guys out there on a consistent basis, teaming them up with Olsen, there's no way opposing defenses will have the might to combat them.  Ted Ginn and Corey Brown would be our second unit, bringing the big play with worn down defenses. (By the way, Ted Ginn is a full time guy anyway with his special team duties.  He doesn't need to be a starter to get a lot of "snaps" in.  That's probably why he was lackadaisical on that kick off return.  The guy is doing too much)

And besides all that Funch is a bad boy!  Go take a look at that touchdown catch and that catch along the sideline last week.

[t96]

Funch played the most snaps of any of our wideouts against the Niners. "Starting" doesn't matter.

[rico6]

If Shula can scheme  Funch in the slot for like 80% of his snaps against Midget Munnerlyn I'll back off the Shula hate train forever.

[Bartin]

52 minutes ago, 15 said:

can you direct me to where it shows Funchess starting over Ginn?

First play of the game against SF was a jumbo set with Funchess as the only WR on the field. Thus he was the starter.

http://www.nfl.com/player/devinfunchess/2552458/profile

http://www.nfl.com/player/kelvinbenjamin/2543471/profile

http://www.nfl.com/player/tedginn/2507166/profile

2 starts for Funchess, 1 for KB and 0 for Ginn. Add in that Funchess played the most snaps of any WR against SF then I think it's pretty fair to say he was the "starter."

[panthers55]

Talking about Benjamin, Funchess or Ginn as 1, 2 and 3 receivers is really simplistic and doesnt denote where we play them, the formation, or their role in the offense.  A better way to designate our receivers is using the terms X, Y and Z receivers.  The X receiver is the spit end or the wide out spot furtherest away from the tight end.  He is going to be at the line of scrimmage and draw cornerback coverage.  He cant go in motion and is going to be the guy who is often jammed at the line.  So he either needs to be very fast, good getting away from corners or can handle press coverage.  The Z receiver is usually on the side of the TE and is lined up a few yards off the line as a wide out. He is still out there but may not be as wide as the X receiver.  He is lined up off the line because if he were on the line the tight end would be ineligible.  He is also know as the flanker.  He is going to be covered by a corner but can be sent in motion, can be lined up in the slot if you have only 2 receivers and thus can have some of the characteristics of a slot receiver but typically both the X and Z are very different than a slot receiver.  The Z receiver can be used for blocking as he is not as far out as an X receiver.

The slot receiver or Y receiver is often lined up over an linebacker or safety unless they use a nickel package with 3 corners.  He is usually smaller and faster.  He could be a receiver or a running back. He is usually lines up between the flanker and the tight end a few steps off the line.

The issue isn't who is 1, 2 or 3 as much as who is lined up in what position based on the formation.  If we use an 11 formation (1 tight end, 1 running back) we often have 3 receivers and might use an X,Z, and y. In this case you might see Benjamin, Funchess and either Ginn or Brown.  On 22 personnel (2 tight ends and 2 running backs) we typically will only have 2 receivers- an X and and a Flanker or Z receiver who could be lined up in the slot on running plays if used as a blocker.  IN that case you might see Benjamin as the X and Funchess as the Z unless you moved Tolbert to the slot for blocking.  Or maybe you put Ginn in the slot and run the reverse.  The possibilities are all there.  But to say that one guy is the 1 and this is the 2 might sound great but given the complexity of offenses and ours specifically, it is rather inadequate.  Different situations and different formations call for different receivers with different skill sets.  Who plays the most is related to which formations we are running and which prove most successful against the defense we are facing.