Now After We've Had A Night to Process Yesterday's Debacle, My Immediate Concern Regarding Cam

[Ricky Spanish]

3 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

But Cam wasn't in the pocket yesterday. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. He didn't lead with the crown. The video clearly shows that.

Yeah, and he didn't jump into the air to do it, I don't know where that narrative is coming from, Cam was bracing himself for impact and the side of 45's helmet hit him in the head after he decided to coast into the endzone. Guy was trying to stop Cam from breaking the plain. Cam should have run harder. 

[electro's horse]

5 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

But Cam wasn't in the pocket yesterday. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. He didn't lead with the crown. The video clearly shows that.

Stop eating glue and read what I just typed you illiterate sow. 

He left his fuging feet and led with a part of his helmet. It doesn't matter if cam was in the pocket, at the goal line, or helping you through a hooked on phonics module. 

Stop posting and logout. 

[RoaringRiot]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Stop eating glue and read what I just typed you illiterate sow. 

He left his fuging feet and led with a part of his helmet. It doesn't matter if cam was in the pocket, at the goal line, or helping you through a hooked on phonics module. 

Stop posting and logout. 

Jesus....is this really what the Huddle is these days? I love some internet tough guys. Come by the tailgate on Monday if you want to have this conversation in person.

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Yeah, and he didn't jump into the air to do it, I don't know where that narrative is coming from, Cam was bracing himself for impact and the side of 45's helmet hit him in the head after he decided to coast into the endzone. Guy was trying to stop Cam from breaking the plain. Cam should have run ha

Are you blind?

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, RoaringRiot said:

Jesus....is this really what the Huddle is these days? 

You tell me high speed, or are you going to keep alternating between arguing and asking people to explain rules to you?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

2 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

Jesus....is this really what the Huddle is these days? 

that's actually some throwback 07/08 huddle

[Proudiddy]

Just now, truthjuice said:

Cam has too much heart and is too resilient. I think he still plays the same. He's special and he knows his athletic ability. I remember his dad saying once on the radio that he had to tell Cam these guys get paid to hit you. Cam is physical and he will be okay. I sure hope that his coaches and teammates come through with better protection and support.

I'm with you, I don't think it's his first. I think it's his first diagnosed, but I don't think it's the first time he's had one. 

Agreed with all that you said here.  I kept thinking even about the hit yesterday and thought to myself, "how many other players in the league take that hit, suffer a concussion and still maintain their balance enough to extend the ball across the goalline to score AGAIN?" lol.  And perhaps the game being already out of hand is the reason he and the trainers didn't fight taking him out for the rest of the game?

That being said, I know Cam won't be scared to play his game, I just worry about the ramifications of him suffering the concussion itself and if it could subconsciously affect his play or the style of the offense as whole, as it is all predicated on him.

[Ricky Spanish]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Are you blind?

No, I see better with my homer glasses off. 

[Proudiddy]

47 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

The guy didn't lead with the crown of his helmet. I'm not aware of any protections outside of that. Please share if I am wrong so I know what rule you're referring to.

No he didn't appear to lead with the crown of his helmet, but:

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1. Use of Helmet and Facemask. An opponent must not use his facemask or other part of his helmet against a player who is in a virtually defenseless posture-for example, (a) by forcibly hitting the defenseless player's head, neck, or face with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him, or (b) by lowering the head and violently or unnecessarily making forcible contact with the "hairline" or forehead part of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player's body.

2. "Launching" and "Dip and Rip."A defensive player must not "launch" himself (spring forward and upward) into a defenseless player, or otherwise strike him in a way that causes the defensive player's helmet or facemask to forcibly strike the defenseless player's head, neck, or face-even if the initial contact of the defender's helmet or facemask is lower than the defenseless player's neck. (Examples: a defender buries his facemask into a defenseless player's high chest area, but the defender's trajectory as he leaps into the defenseless player causes the defender's helmet to strike the defenseless player violently in the head or face; or a defender, using a face-on posture or with his head slightly lowered, hits a defenseless player in an area below the defenseless player's neck, then the defender's head moves upward, resulting in strong contact by the defender's mask or helmet with the defenseless player's head, neck, or face (one example is the so-called "dip and rip" technique.)

These provisions do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or non-crown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent.

Special protection against blows delivered to the head by an opponent is also provided to a receiver who has just completed a catch, a kicker/punter during the kick or during the return, and to the recipient of a "blindside" block.

 

Again, it comes down to the league not giving Cam the protections they give other players.  He was clearly across the goalline when that hit occurred, yet the whistle wasn't blown and he was hit anyway as if the play was still live.  Let that have been Matt Ryan who crossed that goalline and the play would've been over before he even cleared it.and i brought it up in another thread, but I'm sure you saw it live RR, but remember Love's sack on Ryan?  The official blew the whistle as soon as he was grabbed on the collar; he hadn't fell, he didn't give himself up, but the play was blown dead immediately.  That's the stuff I'm talking about...  I think anyone who has watched Cam play and saw the stuff that is allow to go on with him inside and outside the pocket and believe he isn't being targeted while simultaneously not being protected by the league officials is being intentionally naive.

EDIT: And to clarify, is a player who just scored not a "defenseless" player?  Again, I ask you to explore the possibility of how that play is called if it is any other QB than Cam Newton.

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

No, I see better with my homer glasses off. 

I'm a homer now?

you and the rest of the huddle d listers need to get on the same page about what I am because it's getting tiring keeping up with it. 

[Wundrbread33]

If the NFL is serious, it will handle "targeting" like college.

Questionable hit? Review the tape. If verified, throw the defender out of the game. No mercy.

[RoaringRiot]

I guess where I disagree @Proudiddy is that Cam wasn't defenless - he was a runner. So that targeting rule isn't applicable. I know ultimately Cam did cross the goal line but I don't think it was "obvious" in real time like you claim. Hell, Cam didn't either - look at the way he responded after getting hit. I agree that Cam gets targeted and I'm extremely pissed about it too, I just didn't think yesterday's hit was illegal per the current rules. However...those rules need to change because that can't happen if they're worried about safety like they say they are. 

[truthjuice]

7 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Agreed with all that you said here.  I kept thinking even about the hit yesterday and thought to myself, "how many other players in the league take that hit, suffer a concussion and still maintain their balance enough to extend the ball across the goalline to score AGAIN?" lol.  And perhaps the game being already out of hand is the reason he and the trainers didn't fight taking him out for the rest of the game?

That being said, I know Cam won't be scared to play his game, I just worry about the ramifications of him suffering the concussion itself and if it could subconsciously affect his play or the style of the offense as whole, as it is all predicated on him.

Lol we thought that. I was like dang this boy is tough. I know plenty of players who wouldn't have gotten up from the hits in Denver, especially the one where he laid there for a little bit that led Greg to come check on him once he got up. Cam is so tough and he's so special and I hope that it's pretty much noticed now. He's willing to take some big hits if it means he can score or get his team in position. This is why I get mad when people question his heart (not you). 

I hope that it doesn't affect the way he plays the game. I know his circle will rally around him and hold him up, but they don't play the game with him. So it's really up to the team (coaching staff included) to make it a little easier on him. Otherwise, it will start to get to him and he won't make the gutsy plays that we like. You know, the whole summersault into the end zone that he does, the big runs, etc. He had a nice big run yesterday and I said man, ace boogie is trying to put it on his back now. 

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I'm a homer now?

you and the rest of the huddle d listers need to get on the same page about what I am because it's getting tiring keeping up with it. 

I guess I just don't agree with you on this one. 

And I'm glad you're a big deal "A-Lister" on this website. Congrats to you dude.