Name players that where worth their draft Slot by DG

[top dawg]

19 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Jury's out on Kony. If he turns it on the last 3/4 of the year, then he was worth it.

You guys are forgeting about Klein, who is a DAMN good LBer and great depth who can play all 3 positions on our defense. Absolutely worthy of the 5th round pick we used on him. 

4th round pick on a backup OT in Williams. Seems worth it. 

Let's not forget UDFAs Brown, Norwell, and Marlowe (may he recover in peace on IR). 

Like someone said, I'll take Dave drafts over Marty drafts all day. 

The problem is that it's easy to look at a draft on it's face and say this or that, but when you start looking at who we passed up on to acquire some of these dudes, then the total reality of the situation sets in.

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

I'd have to look into it, but I'm pretty sure we played lesser competition after that bad start 

My problem with the infamous 7-8-1 season is DG gets praise for it, when he's one of the main reasons we sucked in the beginning, so we're giving praise to a guy who put us in a bad situation to begin with and IMO gets TOO much credit for the win streak we had that year(Rivera,coaching staff, players,ect) 

just my 2 cents 

[top dawg]

19 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

Gripping about later round picks is a faulty argument. The bust rate is just too dang high to get too excited over those picks.

I see what you're saying, but it's the later round picks and UDFAs that can secure your sustainability, as well as lead you to championships. Most people would agree that icing on the cake is necessary for the best cakes.  Hitting on some are really essential, particularly with a GM who seems reluctant to not only make so-called "splash" moves in free agency, but mid-tier value signings that would just make more sense.  

[Navy_football]

21 hours ago, TN05 said:

How about we look at the ones that absolutely are irredeemable busts?

2013 - Kugbila, Barner

2014 - Gaffney

2015/16 - Jury is still in session.

Let's compare to years before that:

2009 - Brown, Irvin, Goodson, Fiammetta, Robinson

2010 - Clausen, Edwards, Norwood, Gettis, Pugh, Pike, Stanford

2011 - McClain, Fua, Hogan, Wilson, Williams, Ziemba

2012 - Alexander, Adams, Campbell, Silatolu

I'll take Gettleman, thanks.

Well, since you put it that way...

[Ricky Spanish]

59 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The problem is that it's easy to look at a draft on it's face and say this or that, but when you start looking at who we passed up on to acquire some of these dudes, then the total reality of the situation sets in.

I get what you're saying, but I can't really get behind that line of thinking for later round picks. Late round picks you want depth. If you get depth with those picks, then you get what you wanted/needed. You can't really complain about that. To me it's like getting pissed because you put a quarter in a coin slot and won $5 and the guy a few slots down put a quarter in and won $100. Sure you can get a bit salty that you didn't win what he did, but you still came out ahead of where you and everyone but that one guy started. 

[iamhubby1]

10 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

When I see a team all of a sudden click and win a ton of games in a row, make the playoffs and win a game it makes me think the talent was always there and that the coaching and execution finally kicked in. But I'm not a blind "blame GMan at all costs" kinda guy so maybe that's why I feel that way.

 

Because no team is perfect, fans will always have something to use as ammunition. And I have no problem with fans using "Actual facts" as a basis for a rant.

 

I don't have patience for those that use speculation, hind-sight, and spin facts to fit their narrative. And we have a few folks up in here that are using those tactics to rant on this team. Why? Because they cannot make a good enough argument without making things up, or spinning facts? Or is it because it is easier than actually trying to make a valid point?

 

"A Championship is worthless when you have a losing record". What do you say to that?  You cannot argue that logic. I mean, who turns down a Championship? Someone who never played competitive sports I guess.

 

Thanks for letting me rant. I feel better.

 

45 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I see what you're saying, but it's the later round picks and UDFAs that can secure your sustainability, as well as lead you to championships. Most people would agree that icing on the cake is necessary for the best cakes.  Hitting on some are really essential, particularly with a GM who seems reluctant to not only make so-called "splash" moves in free agency, but mid-tier value signings that would just make more sense.  

 

I am not really sure what you are trying to say here. I am not sure I ever said you don't need later round picks, or those UDFAs as well. Those guys helped us get where we are. I did say that those late round picks are thrown around in trades. Mainly because you cannot guarantee you can hit on them. Or most GMs don't hit on them. Gman has done a fine job with the back end of the draft.

 

That said. As your overall team talent improves, those late rounders, and UDFAs find it harder, and harder to make the team. The bottom half of our roster is much better off than it was just 3 years ago when Gman got here. We still have a ways to go, but we are trending in the right direction. At least that is how I see it.

 

Lastly. Yes we did have money to play with last off-season. But, IMO, Gman, and Ron took a calculated risks to find out what we really have. They were hoping we could maintain our momentum and get through this year. All the while doing some evaluating. They then would have a better idea what they needed going into next year. They took a gamble, and it seems like it has yet to pay off.

[CPantherKing]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

I agree, but I don't even really give Getty full credit for that one. It really was a no-brainer. I can't really see how anyone here, not even @CPantherKing, can argue that Star wasn't absolutely the best pick with legitimate credibility. Our line without star would be like spaghetti with unseasoned ground beef. I don't even belief Short would have become a name in NFL circles without Star. He is absolutely "essential."

The only person that perhaps was arguably just as important was Hardy. We may not have known it then, but we certainly know it now.

Star is a good DT. He will be around for a while in the NFL.

Was he the right pick? That depends on your draft philosophy. If you believe one should take the best player available regardless of need or value at the spot designated for your team, then yes. Star was a very easy pick for anyone at #14.

Personally, I do not believe you select anyone in the top 20 picks unless you believe they instantly fit into a play making role for the top 6 offensive or defensive players on your team. I do not believe a team should select a player in the first 50 picks unless they factor in as an immediate starter. Plus, if you have fewer than 8 picks in the draft, then that breaks toward favoring trading down.

[carolinajay]

5 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Star is a good DT. He will be around for a while in the NFL.

Was he the right pick? That depends on your draft philosophy. If you believe one should take the best player available regardless of need or value at the spot designated for your team, then yes. Star was a very easy pick for anyone at #14.

Personally, I do not believe you select anyone in the top 20 picks unless you believe they instantly fit into a play making role for the top 6 offensive or defensive players on your team. I do not believe a team should select a player in the first 50 picks unless they factor in as an immediate starter. Plus, if you have fewer than 8 picks in the draft, then that breaks toward favoring trading down.

[iamhubby1]

32 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I get what you're saying, but I can't really get behind that line of thinking for later round picks. Late round picks you want depth. If you get depth with those picks, then you get what you wanted/needed. You can't really complain about that. To me it's like getting pissed because you put a quarter in a coin slot and won $5 and the guy a few slots down put a quarter in and won $100. Sure you can get a bit salty that you didn't win what he did, but you still came out ahead of where you and everyone but that one guy started. 

 

If everyone could hit on those late round picks. Well, they don't so never mind. Gman has done a fine job with those guys. But he is defiantly ahead of the curve.

 

Great analogy. I truly believe we have a poooo ton of fans that feel this way. They don't care that we are 3 time NFCS Champs. All they see is we have yet to win a SuperB owl. They see other teams spending money on FAs, and that's what they want us to do. It works for other teams, (Although that is really not true.) and it works in Madden. So dad gum it Panthers. Get to it.

 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

Ealy, Klein, Bene, CAP, Mayo. Have to give credit for guys like Norwell

[CPantherKing]

3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

If everyone could hit on those late round picks. Well, they don't so never mind. Gman has done a fine job with those guys. But he is defiantly ahead of the curve.

 

Great analogy. I truly believe we have a poooo ton of fans that feel this way. They don't care that we are 3 time NFCS Champs. All they see is we have yet to win a SuperB owl. They see other teams spending money on FAs, and that's what they want us to do. It works for other teams, (Although that is really not true.) and it works in Madden. So dad gum it Panthers. Get to it.

 

 

Because division championships > conference or SB championship.

We always look back and say, "Hey, how about that team that won their division 10 straight seasons and never won a SB. They were such a great team. Yeah, some of their division championships were with losing records, but they were the best of the worst in their division. That decade will be remembered forever as one of the best in NFL history."

I am sure that is exactly how it goes. No one would ever call a team that always wins its division and never wins the SB a complete joke that could never win the big one. That never happens.

Everyone remembers the division champions.

Participation trophies are great.

[Peppers90 NC]

6 hours ago, bull123 said:

his #1 & #2 draft picks this year are both already hurt

Did they have an injury history? What's your point?

[Peppers90 NC]

The problems right now aren't personnel. It's coaching, motivation and confidence. It's just easy for a simpleton to blame a FO rather than admitting the team is in a slump. Maybe so many people are falsely entitled.

[iamhubby1]

11 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

The problems right now aren't personnel. It's coaching, motivation and confidence. It's just easy for a simpleton to blame a FO rather than admitting the team is in a slump. Maybe so many people are falsely entitled.

 

This team is in a funk for sure. And the natives are restless. But, I don't see any reason to go all gaga over it. It is just too dang early to go over board.

 

Now behave. You cannot say that. The kids get all upset and stuff when you call them out. (Even though I tend to agree with you.) How else do you explain folks going postal over a 1-3 start? The "I deserve it damm it" crowd is loud and proud right now.