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Cowher To Carolina Talk Heating Up

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KillerKat Grand Master

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Not sure I 100% support Cowher coming here, but I would like to point this out to the ignorants that keep saying it took him 15 years to win a Super Bowl.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CowhBi0.htm

11 years over 500

3 years under 500

1 year at 500

9 times having 10+ winning seasons

Won the division 9 times

In playoffs 10 times

12 playoff wins

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Peppers90 NC Community Regular

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Not sure I 100% support Cowher coming here, but I would like to point this out to the ignorants that keep saying it took him 15 years to win a Super Bowl.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CowhBi0.htm

11 years over 500

2 years under 500

1 year at 500

9 times having 10+ winning seasons

Won the division 9 times

In playoffs 10 times

12 playoff wins

I would not be mad at the hire either, but... that was the AFC North/Central. Teams such as the Browns, Bengals and Ravens was Oilers before that. Pretty much the weakest division in the 90's. I am not arguing he was an effective coach, but its like saying Seattle has been the best team in the NFCW this decade...kinda.

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I think if Fox is fired Cowher will most likely be our HC. Love him or hate him you can't argue he has had success. I don't want him myself. I really think he is Fox made over. Strong run game, passing game that doesn't turn the ball over. And his success on the D side of the ball was mainly due to the Genius he had as a D coordinator. No I want a guy that will bring something new to this team and hopeful to the league (I want some creative play calling). But we can't all have what we want.

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I would not be mad at the hire either, but... that was the AFC North/Central. Teams such as the Browns, Bengals and Ravens was Oilers before that. Pretty much the weakest division in the 90's. I am not arguing he was an effective coach, but its like saying Seattle has been the best team in the NFCW this decade...kinda.

I took a look at his previous coaching positions and what do ya know..other than defensive coordinator, he used to be a secondary and special teams coach. Those are two other areas that are weak for us. He could fix 4 different areas for us instantly (Head Coach, DC (possibly working together with one), Secondary, and ST).

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If you're serious about Cowher being the second coming of Fox, kys immediately.

I am. The only thing that I see Cowher an upgrade over Fox would be his Intenstiy. I like Fox and think he WAS a good coach but this League has figured him out and I haven't seen any adaptability because of that. He is a one trick pony, same as Cowher. I have respect for Cowher but Old School football is a dying breed in this league.

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I am. The only thing that I see Cowher an upgrade over Fox would be his Intenstiy. I like Fox and think he WAS a good coach but this League has figured him out and I haven't seen any adaptability because of that. He is a one trick pony, same as Cowher. I have respect for Cowher but Old School football is a dying breed in this league.

Intensity is one major thing this team lacks. The league has gotten more generous towards the offenses, b/c fans want scoring. Cowher was more up to think outside the box than Fox has lately, they demonstrated some trickery, and they obviously practiced it well or would not run it. We try a trick play here, and it is a disaster. Run the ball, play intimidating defense is still a winnable solution in this league, don't let two weeks of Saints Payton offense fool you too hard, it will come back to earth. Teams that don't run, which we can't include Saints yet b/c they have run, don't win as much. NE threw the ball over 70% and lost, and they were leading most the game.

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Intensity is one major thing this team lacks. The league has gotten more generous towards the offenses, b/c fans want scoring. Cowher was more up to think outside the box than Fox has lately, they demonstrated some trickery, and they obviously practiced it well or would not run it. We try a trick play here, and it is a disaster. Run the ball, play intimidating defense is still a winnable solution in this league, don't let two weeks of Saints Payton offense fool you too hard, it will come back to earth. Teams that don't run, which we can't include Saints yet b/c they have run, don't win as much. NE threw the ball over 70% and lost, and they were leading most the game.

I agree with this. But I really am not confident that Cowher brings the toughness on Defense you think he does. I mean how many different Coaches has Dick Lebuea coached under and yet he always has a top D. Without him I think Cowher wouldn't have lasted long enough to get to the Super Bowl.

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