Beason chimes in on Nippleshorts

[GoobyPls]

Almost every single player that has left us has had something bad to say about Gettleman. The guy is a megalomaniac delusional ahole. And now its coming back to bite him in his ass.

[carolinajay]

13 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Key players he dropped without improving their position Steve Smith , Brandon LaFell, Gary Barnidge, Jordan Gross via Steve Smith, Jared Allen, Peanut Tillman, Roman Harper, Jerricho Cotchery, Captain Munnerlyn, Bene Benwikere and DeAngelo Williams. Now all of them may not be pro bowl players, but they all were sent out the door and their spots have not been upgraded.

Gary Barnidge was never a big part of the panthers offense. He had two memorable games in a panthers uniform (09' vs Vikings and 12 vs Eagles) why include him?

Peanut (Retired), Allen (Retired), Gross (Retired) etc not going through all the names but a lot of those guys were role players and were replaced.

Adding Barnidge kills your argument imo.

[pantherphan96]

34 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That logic is real worn especially given that we have 19 million in cap space and neither were signed in the offseason. Kalil actually took a pay cut for next year and we are projected to have close to 33 million free next year. We could have signed Norman long term for roughly 8 million in cap space in 2016 given the prorated signing bonus is the biggest cap cost. Future costs would have gone up but so will the cap and unless guaranteed there is little consequence if we drop him when he gets too expensive or restructure. No gettleman this time just tough guy stupidity.

The cap is not guaranteed to keep going up, especially with ratings falling and all the other issues that plague the NFL.

Dropping him if he gets too expensive isn't exactly ideal because of the dead money associated with doing so. We are gonna have the cap space to keep both Pro-Bowl caliber DT's, enough for Turner and Norwell, and enough for KB when it comes time for his extension.

[iamhubby1]

24 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

Gary Barnidge was never a big part of the panthers offense. He had two memorable games in a panthers uniform (09' vs Vikings and 12 vs Eagles) why include him?

Peanut (Retired), Allen (Retired), Gross (Retired) etc not going through all the names but a lot of those guys were role players and were replaced.

Adding Barnidge kills your argument imo.

 

Barny didn't get much of a shot here, but he took 2 more years after leaving us to break out. No way he hangs around one team that long before producing. Glad he finally got it. And surprised after all that time, he still got a shot. Kinda amazing he got that long to develop.

 

Or Cotch? He wasn't making the team this year anyway. Or Capt? He priced himself outta town. He and Mitchell both got paid a poo ton more than we could afford.

 

So yeah. His choices to prove Gman just jettisons players all willy nilly is a little lacking. But with him, it's not so much the facts per se, as it is trying to validate his point that Gman, and by extension the coaching staff, are not smart enough to do their jobs adequately, and doing it rather clumsily.

 

I mean Lafell? lol Who uses Lafell as an argument for Gman letting good players walk? Lafell???? Dammm you Gettleman.

[Krovvy]

Wasn't Chris Gamble also released by Gettleman? Just imagine if we were able to keep him another year into the 2013 season.

[iamhubby1]

51 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Lol we're still arguing about whether removing the tag was a good ideal? It wasn't and the only reason is because we didn't have a back up plan other then throwing rookies and a player recovering from a broken leg to the wolves. There's only 2 coaches maybe 3 that could make this defense with the talent it has competitive, that should tell you something......looked at the top defenses in the league, now look at the talent they have on that side of the ball.....case closed


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So what happens IF, Bradberry, and McClain don't get hurt? I mean really? Should not we be able to count on a 2nd round CB to play rather well? And he had, until he got hurt. Or McClain? He was not bad as a fill in. Then you have kids you like, with Bene in the mix. That doesn't sound too awfully bad.

 

Just because Gman and Ron had faith in players they brought in, and that plan did not work. Does that mean we can throw them out with the wash?

 

This season sucks. We all know it. It is how you deal with that grief that defines you. I like to think we are still in the midst of a great run, and this is just a bump in the road. Some folks seem to disagree.

[iamhubby1]

13 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

Wasn't Chris Gamble also released by Gettleman? Just imagine if we were able to keep him another year into the 2013 season.

 

I do believe that he retired. He said he just didn't have it anymore. He was prepared for life after football, so it wasn't a total shock.

[Krovvy]

Just now, iamhubby1 said:

 

I do believe that he retired. He said he just didn't have it anymore. He was prepared for life after football, so it wasn't a total shock.

I thought he retired after we didn't offer him a contract? I could be wrong, but I think he decided like a week after we let him walk that he was done with football.

[iamhubby1]

Looks like we were both right. You more than me, if that kind of thing makes you happy.

 

Here's a link. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000149321/article/chris-gamble-retires-after-release-by-carolina-panthers I was right that he was ready for life after football, and you were right that he retired after we let him go.

 

I did however, forget about the lingering injuries he was having later in his career. That shoulder was a 2 year deal. Ankle issues. He was ready.

[Cpt slay a ho]

 

So what happens IF, Bradberry, and McClain don't get hurt? I mean really? Should not we be able to count on a 2nd round CB to play rather well? And he had, until he got hurt. Or McClain? He was not bad as a fill in. Then you have kids you like, with Bene in the mix. That doesn't sound too awfully bad.

 

Just because Gman and Ron had faith in players they brought in, and that plan did not work. Does that mean we can throw them out with the wash?

 

This season sucks. We all know it. It is how you deal with that grief that defines you. I like to think we are still in the midst of a great run, and this is just a bump in the road. Some folks seem to disagree.

Didn't say our guys were bad, but besides bradberry I don't like the situation they have been thrown into. Given our division you never want to put a rook out there vs the receivers and qbs in our division without a solid supporting cast. The problem is there should have been a solid backup plan, what if our guys don't perform at the same level or better then last year, what if our rookies struggle, we ultimately set our selves up for this. Guys like Sanchez and Worley shouldn't be starting or getting significant playing time, not because they're bad but because it will take a bit longer for them to get up to speed, get them involved in ST(like we were doing with Worley) then ease them into the CB role. Killing the rooks confidence by putting them out there vs Julio and with a very subpar pass rush

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[Proudiddy]

I'll try to be more measured in my comments from here on so as to not stoke any flames or offend anyone...  that being said, Beason will always be one of my favorite players.  He looked like a hall of famer up until that achilles injury.  Andi'll always love that he loves the Panthers, despite the ending.  And he's right about everything.

And i've been accused of pulling negatives out of what we know in Gettleman's treatment of players, that some claim arent really there.  But, this is coming from Beason himself, and while we can only infer because he doesnt go into detail about it, him letting it be known he was "less than thrilled" with his convos with Gettleman before the trade are an example of what I've been getting at.  Plenty of players are cut and traded every year...  team leaders, tenured vets, rookies...  and at the end of the day, it is all business, UNLESS you allow them to feel like it's more.  When players say these things, it just makes me think, regardless of what I thought before, that he's leaving them with the impression that it's not just business, and you cant maintain that business model.

I think it had a negative effect on the locker room coming into this season, and it has and will continue to negatively affect our ability to secure extensions and sign quality outside FAs (if we ever go after any).

[PhillyB]

saw 7 pages under the thread title, got excited. read 7 pages of poo-slinging. disappointed.

gettleman is not tearing down the team and rebuilding it. that's stupid and it's like when you see a politician you don't like and say they're trying to destroy america. everyone looks at you sideways because only perspectiveless douches actually believe that sort of thing.

however politicians can really fug things up regardless of intent, and it appears we're somewhere close to that with gettleman. some of you seem to have forgotten how the norman deal went down. gettleman established an offer. norman wanted about 4m more, told his cuzzo to cramp dave for the best deal possible and then sign it. dave said get outta town and josh did. this is because gettleman banked on the defensive line as a whole being more important than a single defensive back.

which it is.

gettleman's mistake wasn't in not paying josh norman 13 or 14 or 16 million bucks, which in retrospect looks like a bargain to fix this train wreck of a season. his mistake was in (1) misjudging the ability of the defensive line, from kony's development to the continuity of star/short's success, and (2) assuming his backfield could pick up where the last one left off. bradberry is awesome, but he's been injured. not dave's fault. bene is gone because apparently he had concerns that weren't taken into consideration. dave's fault. tillman, allen, harper, and cotchery all retiring in one season - not dave's fault. not choosing veteran leaders to replace at least one or two of them - definitely dave's fault.

dave gettleman is not rebuilding this team. dave gettleman is not a bad GM. but this season dave gettleman painted himself into a corner and he doesn't look like a good GM. and he's riding his decision out this season, it appears. maybe leonard johnson is the hero we need. maybe we go 5-11. the jury's out.

but dave gettleman is not rebuilding this team.

[uncfan888]

It's amazing that we all cheer for the same team... if we watched the games together, some of you would drive me insane 

[Cpt slay a ho]

The lack of planning is a concern, never liked Dg's attitude either, doesn't fit the persona of our owner and franchise, guy can do a hell of a lot of things well but these major lapse in judgment are killer


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