okay i guess i'll be optimistic

[csx]

Its refreshing to get a well thought out reasonable take. The competition to get pie by being the most miserably negative and hating on everything about our team gets old fast. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

16 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Most of you started cheering for this team last season, and others of you have the memory of a goldfish. It's the biggest downsize of Zod's Echo Chamber Hug Box and Pop Up Ads Extravaganza: there's very little sense of context, and the opinion swings are manic. As high as this place was last year, it's that low right now, and in between there's very little opportunity to contextualize, or rationally analyze things..........

.......I'm not predicting the Panthers will be 6-5 when they go into Seattle a month from now. But the opportunity is there. This coach, this GM, and many of these players have pulled it off before.

First they have to get healthy. Then they have to get experience together.

Great post. 

Health is the #1 priority for us.  We were so fortunate last year that the ugly injury bug didn't hit us too hard.

This year we have had our early issues.  

If there is one team in this league that wants more than anything to put the Panthers in their 2016 grave and post the headstone.  It is Arizona.   We have pounded them two seasons in row and ended their Super Bowl dreams.  They want nothing more and to mark us for dead.  Stomping us will give them great happiness.

We come out and hold our ground, defend our dirt (as T. Davis) says we'll turn this season around.  Arizona beats us.  We're done.

 

[CarolinaJami']

Great article!! 

[Jeremy Igo]

If Josh Norman was out there the Panthers would not have had a midget covering a tight end in the end zone against the Saints. 

[Jeremy Igo]

Good lord... 

[electro's horse]

would not have mattered at all unless norman had a rocket up his ass. im also fairly confident drew brees would have been able to oh i don't know throw to someone else in that situation.

it was a first down regardless since short punched brees in the face

[Kevin Greene]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Good lord... 

The expressions in the front row. Priceless.

[Mr. Scot]

The "getting old quick" thing is a really, really big deal.

Back a few weeks ago when I posted a thread in All Pro about different things I saw, that was one of them.  Some guys I listed as examples were Mike Tolbert, Charles Johnson, Ted Ginn and - reluctantly - Thomas Davis.  There may be others (probably are) but those are the most blatant,

A buddy of mine asked if maybe Remmers got old too. I don't think age is a factor, but I do think loss of confidence could be. Also don't really think Stewart's gotten old so much as it's just that he's been playing banged up pretty much ever since he got here (how many weeks have we seen him not practice but still play) and I think all those dents and dings are starting to add up.

Honestly one of the biggest things I see though (besides injuries) is still that we're getting outcoached on a pretty regular basis.  Rivera still goes into games with the mentality that as long as we do what we want to do, it doesn't matter who we're playing or what they do.  That's a mindset I've never bough into and still don't, but I doubt it's going away anytime soon.

It worked a lot last year, but bit us hard in the Super Bowl and has continued biting us ever since.

[nctarheel0619]

Agreed, age isn't a factor with remmers.  He just sucks.  

[electro's horse]

I don't think Davis is done, but I do think he and shaq need to switch roles. 

Let Shaq be the full time starter, and bring in Davis in sub packages or as a blitzer.

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The "getting old quick" thing is a really, really big deal.

Back a few weeks ago when I posted a thread in All Pro about different things I saw, that was one of them.  Some guys I listed as examples were Mike Tolbert, Charles Johnson, Ted Ginn and - reluctantly - Thomas Davis.  There may be others (probably are) but those are the most blatant,

A buddy of mine asked if maybe Remmers got old too. I don't think age is a factor, but I do think loss of confidence could be. Also don't really think Stewart's gotten old so much as it's just that he's been playing banged up pretty much ever since he got here (how many weeks have we seen him not practice but still play) and I think all those dents and dings are starting to add up.

Honestly one of the biggest things I see though (besides injuries) is still that we're getting outcoached on a pretty regular basis.  Rivera still goes into games with the mentality that as long as we do what we want to do, it doesn't matter who we're playing or what they do.  That's a mindset I've never bough into and still don't, but I doubt it's going away anytime soon.

It worked a lot last year, but bit us hard in the Super Bowl and has continued biting us ever since.

 

I am of the belief that TD is dealing with a hammy, or some type of leg problem. I think it was the 9er game where he had to leave the game. IMO, that is when he got dinged up. And has been playing at less that full speed since.

 

This was the first off-season for Stewy he didn't have surgery, or some type of rehab going on. He came out strong, and was looking good. Then he tweaked his hammy. Dude? Really? Foot and ankle problems for most of his career. Finally is healthy, then hurt his hammy? Jinx? Or just bad luck?

 

I'll give you CJ, and Tolbert, but I am not sure I would throw Teddy in with that group. I mean, Cam has under thrown him twice so far this year. 

 

Now as for RR. That is one I just cannot wrap my brain around. I hear folks complain about certain aspects of his style, and there are times where they sound reasonable. But I also know that almost every coach has their flaws.

 

Here's what I do know, or, RR according to hubby. The players love him, do not ever discount that aspect. As a rule, when they see a problem, they address it. We are almost always a fundamentally sound, and disciplined team. Outside of STs, I think he has a whale of a staff. And we are winning. Well, maybe not so much this year, but there is still plenty of season left to turn this train around.

 

Ah hellz, I agree with most of what you said. And the ones I don't agree with, are not really that big of a deal. Until it comes to Rivera. Sure there are head scratchers. But almost every coach who has ever coached, has those on his resume'.

 

 

[iamhubby1]

35 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I don't think Davis is done, but I do think he and shaq need to switch roles. 

Let Shaq be the full time starter, and bring in Davis in sub packages or as a blitzer.

 

IMO, we need to let TD come out after the bye. Because he is not losing a step, he is dinged up. Let him heal up, then let's see what we have.

 

Heck, even if I am right, that he is dinged up. He needs to start. Until he needs to be taken out, he needs to be on the field. He means to much to that D. He still can bring the pain. And until he actually needs to be replaced, he is our 2nd best LB.

 

Next year? That one is gon be a good battle. Especially if Shaq comes in with the mind set of taking TDs job. Classic can the vet hold off the kid battle.

[stankowalski]

9 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Please choose another team and go away. Your negativity is fugin horrible 

Actually the way this season has gone he's got a valid point.

[Khyber53]

Fiz, that was excellent. Best perspective piece so far this season, good work,