Norv Turner Resigns

[top dawg]

"Turner’s offenses are primarily built upon four or five key assets: A field-stretching tight end, a big possession receiver, a power running game and a great offensive line. How many of those things do the Vikings currently have? "

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/minnesota-vikings-norv-turner-sam-bradford-pat-shurmur-offense-resign-110216

 I must say that if that above statement is accurate, then Turner may be able to do dome damage with the Panthers.

 

"Turner thrived in San Diego when he had a great offensive line, Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson and LaDainian Tomlinson. In his first five years with the Chargers, when those players were together, his team never ranked outside the top five in points per game. Not once."

"All of those aspects of the offense perfectly fit what Turner wanted to do, and it showed. The Vikings simply don’t have those pieces to allow Turner to mold his offense the way he would have liked."

 

Again, if this analyst is right, it has to make you think...just saying.

[The_Rainmaker]

17 hours ago, CRA said:

Shula gets Cam.  Impossible to argue IMO. 

So the question isn't about simply who is a better pure OC.  Norv wins that.  OC however isn't an issue holding us back big picture right now.

But it wouldn't hurt to get better either. He could be a assistant OC and diversify the traditional run game. As you can see the coaches are letting Stew take the end zone TDs  instead of Cam. 

[Navy_football]

I don't think Shula is a horrible OC. But his route combinations have left little to be desired. Every route requires the target to just flat out beat the coverage. You need time as a WR to beat your man. When this oline isn't providing that time, this offense looks bad.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, The_Rainmaker said:

But it wouldn't hurt to get better either. He could be a assistant OC and diversify the traditional run game. As you can see the coaches are letting Stew take the end zone TDs  instead of Cam. 

Norv would be awesome in when of those advisory O positions 

Shula IMO has the run game down and about every opponent praises the complexity of it.

but Norv might could help our WRs with different routes to get open.  That IMO has been an issue. 

[The_Rainmaker]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Norv would be awesome in when of those advisory O positions 

Shula IMO has the run game down and about every opponent praises the complexity of it.

but Norv might could help our WRs with different routes to get open.  That IMO has been an issue. 

Shula has the read option part integrated well, but if the team wants to limit Cam  on designed runs then Norv is far better suited to design runs for J-Stew, Fozzy, Tolbert, etc.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

"Turner’s offenses are primarily built upon four or five key assets: A field-stretching tight end, a big possession receiver, a power running game and a great offensive line. How many of those things do the Vikings currently have? "

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/minnesota-vikings-norv-turner-sam-bradford-pat-shurmur-offense-resign-110216

 I must say that if that above statement is accurate, then Turner may be able to do dome damage with the Panthers.

 

"Turner thrived in San Diego when he had a great offensive line, Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson and LaDainian Tomlinson. In his first five years with the Chargers, when those players were together, his team never ranked outside the top five in points per game. Not once."

"All of those aspects of the offense perfectly fit what Turner wanted to do, and it showed. The Vikings simply don’t have those pieces to allow Turner to mold his offense the way he would have liked."

 

Again, if this analyst is right, it has to make you think...just saying.

The problem is that Turner wasn't the OC when San Diego had a great offense and he wasn't calling the plays. You can say it was his offense but that is like our defense and Rivera. He is the head coach and McDermott runs the defense.

As for the elements needed for success, if you have all those elements as well as a great quarterback like Rivers, anybody could run that offense and do well.  Imagine if  had dallas' line and the pieces we have, we would be leading the league for sure.

 

[dave-o]

Shula thinks he is gonna fool a team one of these days running that ball up the middle on every first down !!!  

[CRA]

3 hours ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Shula has the read option part integrated well, but if the team wants to limit Cam  on designed runs then Norv is far better suited to design runs for J-Stew, Fozzy, Tolbert, etc.

Opponents aren't just praising the read...the complexity of all looks.  Our run game really needs better OT run blocking to take off.  

The worst part of our O is WRs struggle to get open on routes and the type routes they run IMO

[catnip]

If we were to replace Shula, I would consider bringing back Chudinski as OC

[JARROD]

Isn't Norv like Chuds mentor? Same system right? If


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[LA_Panther]

Norv > Shula as an OC ...

Both of them suck as headcoaches

[thefuzz]

On 11/3/2016 at 6:37 AM, top dawg said:

"Turner’s offenses are primarily built upon four or five key assets: A field-stretching tight end, a big possession receiver, a power running game and a great offensive line. How many of those things do the Vikings currently have? "

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/minnesota-vikings-norv-turner-sam-bradford-pat-shurmur-offense-resign-110216

 I must say that if that above statement is accurate, then Turner may be able to do dome damage with the Panthers.

 

"Turner thrived in San Diego when he had a great offensive line, Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson and LaDainian Tomlinson. In his first five years with the Chargers, when those players were together, his team never ranked outside the top five in points per game. Not once."

"All of those aspects of the offense perfectly fit what Turner wanted to do, and it showed. The Vikings simply don’t have those pieces to allow Turner to mold his offense the way he would have liked."

 

Again, if this analyst is right, it has to make you think...just saying.

As I stated earlier.  We have everything that makes a Norv Turner version of the Coryell work, except for a dominant O line...we do however have a really good C-G-C combo.

People think that Norv was an "air it out" playcaller...but what he really did was run the football better than most, and threw for huge chunks.  We can talk about how Norv's success came when he had 3+ HOF players on his rosters....and that has now happened twice in his career...but it could be a chicken or the egg type debate.

I don't want him as our OC, but we could use another set of eyes and ears on the offensive side of the ball.  We have to remember that although Shula has been around for a while, Proehl and Dorsey have not.