Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Another game, another miss for Gano


BigBoss

Recommended Posts

Need to look at more than FGs when evaluating kickers:

5th in touchbacks

6th in TB percentage

6th in return yards

Tied 1st FGM% from 20-40 yds; 21st from 40-49 yds and 12th from 50+ yards.

Overall, he's better than most of the league. So you say he sucks from 40-49 yds. (career 76.7%), Kasay was 74.5%. 

Hate to break the news, but John Kasay's KO numbers aren't even in the same league as Gano; as far as FGs, Kasay's career FGM number is only 2% higher than Gano.

Admittedly, Gano has issues between 40-49 yards, but thinking the guy should be out of the league when not considering everything is simply ignoring facts.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Need to look at more than FGs when evaluating kickers:

5th in touchbacks

6th in TB percentage

6th in return yards

Tied 1st FGM% from 20-40 yds; 21st from 40-49 yds and 12th from 50+ yards.

Overall, he's better than most of the league. So you say he sucks from 40-49 yds. (career 76.7%), Kasay was 74.5%. 

Hate to break the news, but John Kasay's KO numbers aren't even in the same league as Gano; as far as FGs, Kasay's career FGM number is only 2% higher than Gano.

Admittedly, Gano has issues between 40-49 yards, but thinking the guy should be out of the league when not considering everything is simply ignoring facts.

 

/end thread

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Me, and my ilk, lol. How dare I expect our kicker to actually make some kicks that should really be gimmes, especially ones he's missed on our home field.

You're more than willing to sit on here, and critique Cam Newton in a press conference of all meaningless things. But discussing our kicker continually missing crucial kicks is just a bridge too far?

You hear that? That was your credibility flying out the window.

You're embarrassing yourself here chief. Let it go.

Sure, I have given some criticism toward our QB. Never said bench him or fire him for his mistakes. Always tried to figure out the why something was happening. The guy's an excellent QB and if he can keep going and keep improving, he can go down as one of the greatest to have ever played the game. But, he is human and he's had a rough start this year. But I haven't screamed for him to be fired or even benched. 

Because that would be stupid. And childish. And foolish.

But you, you can just flail about at any player or coach and scream for their head to roll? Because of a missed kick (and if you watch kickers long enough, you learn that they go through these rough stretches now and then, and they have to work through them... even the greats), or a missed block or maybe they called a play down that wasn't executed properly, or they let their man get by them in coverage. Everyone except for Cam. And should anyone ever even lightly criticize his performance (or even his sartorial excesses), you emerge from behind his nutsack wielding your everlovin' keyboard like his samurai bodyguard to claim only mindless evildoers would do anything but worship your Precioussssss.

Look, I am a Panthers fan. Have been since they began and will be until I croak. I cheered when Jake Delhomme rose up out of nowhere and played like a kid living out his dream, and then cried with the rest when that dream came to a terrible end. I was sad when Smitty, Moose and Pep went on to new homes. I just about cried when they had to take Hoover out behind the barn and put him down like Ol' Yeller. And I have been thrilled to watch Cam play and cheered as he developed from an athlete to a darned fine QB, mobile or not.

Credibility? What would you know about that? You're just a broken record playing the same bad song, over and over again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Sure, I have given some criticism toward our QB. Never said bench him or fire him for his mistakes. Always tried to figure out the why something was happening. The guy's an excellent QB and if he can keep going and keep improving, he can go down as one of the greatest to have ever played the game. But, he is human and he's had a rough start this year. But I haven't screamed for him to be fired or even benched. 

Because that would be stupid. And childish. And foolish.

But you, you can just flail about at any player or coach and scream for their head to roll? Because of a missed kick (and if you watch kickers long enough, you learn that they go through these rough stretches now and then, and they have to work through them... even the greats), or a missed block or maybe they called a play down that wasn't executed properly, or they let their man get by them in coverage. Everyone except for Cam. And should anyone ever even lightly criticize his performance (or even his sartorial excesses), you emerge from behind his nutsack wielding your everlovin' keyboard like his samurai bodyguard to claim only mindless evildoers would do anything but worship your Precioussssss.

Look, I am a Panthers fan. Have been since they began and will be until I croak. I cheered when Jake Delhomme rose up out of nowhere and played like a kid living out his dream, and then cried with the rest when that dream came to a terrible end. I was sad when Smitty, Moose and Pep went on to new homes. I just about cried when they had to take Hoover out behind the barn and put him down like Ol' Yeller. And I have been thrilled to watch Cam play and cheered as he developed from an athlete to a darned fine QB, mobile or not.

Credibility? What would you know about that? You're just a broken record playing the same bad song, over and over again.

I've never said cut Gano. Explore options, and perhaps add competition does not = "he sucks cut him now!!"

So if that's what you're upset about, you just wasted a whole lot of words, and posts.

Listen here. There has never been, and never will be a press conference by any NFL player that directly affects the outcome of a game. It does not matter.  Missing crucial kicks however..yeah, that's kind of important. Especially when it ends up directly losing us games. Like in our season opener. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I've never said cut Gano. Explore options, and perhaps add competition does not = "he sucks cut him now!!"

So if that's what you're upset about, you just wasted a whole lot of words, and posts.

Listen here. There has never been, and never will be a press conference by any NFL player that directly affects the outcome of a game. It does not matter.  Missing crucial kicks however..yeah, that's kind of important. Especially when it ends up directly losing us games. Like in our season opener. 

I was calling for him to get fired yesterday in the moment but at the end of the day we are trying to get better. Bringing in competition is nothing but drama and shows the coaches lack of confidence.  Sure bring up Bene but the fact is Bene was dumb and unprofessional.  Oh yeah and he was slow af and out of shape

Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Missing crucial kicks however..yeah, that's kind of important. Especially when it ends up directly losing us games. Like in our season opener. 

Plenty of individual player and coaching mistakes cost this team games since the season opener, why single out the kicker?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Anybodyhome said:

Plenty of individual player and coaching mistakes cost this team games since the season opener, why single out the kicker?

Trust me, I'm not singling out Gano.

Frankly I'm more concerned about our atrocious OL situation we've willfully stumbled our way into.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, teeray said:

Accuracy is down across the league this year.  He is a good kicker not having a great season.  I still have faith in him though

This is the part you'll never get most Huddlers (or NFL fans in general) to understand.  Anyone who is playing poorly in the present is poo and has always been poo and will always be poo and literally anyone else would be better.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • And there are a lot of teams that fluctuate from year to year.   For example, the Lions disappointed, and the Bears and Pats overachieved.  But your stats demonstrate the point.  At the bottom 10 of the SOS (toughest schedule) for 2025, the Texans and Rams are the only teams to have winning records. In the top 10 of the SOS (weakest schedules) only the Browns and Cowboys had losing records.  So, it seems that if you have a top 10 SOS (toughest), you have an 80% chance of having a losing record.  If you have a top 10 easiest schedule, you have an 80% chance of having a winning record.  I am not seeing your point, based on these charts.  
    • This article (ESPN) got me thinking and I think on paper.  Thought I would share.  This thinking involves realistic cap analysis, needs, the draft, and free agency.  I think it realistically addresses Edge and LB fairly well.  OL (not 2026 so much, but 2027 and beyond looks good).  The free agent S has deep range and coverage skills, something that killed us on third downs last year, imo.  Beyond Edge, LB, S, and OL depth, that is about it.  I took a flyer on DT and WR depth late in the draft, but at CB (Horn, Jackson, Smith-Wade, and Thornton), QB, RB, TE, etc. we are going to rely on undrafted free agents.  No cap room left. EDGE:  In the $7m per year range, the edge from Atlanta Ebiketie got pressure at a high rate in reduced snaps. With Atlanta adding 2 edge rushers as rookies who seemed to do well (Pearce is one of them--*) but he got pressure in limited snaps at a high rate 16.9% (one in eight pass rush).   He is 27 and played in 384 snaps.  PFF Score of 74.9.  had 2 sacks.  If he had a normal workload, based on his limited play, he would have had about 5 to 6 sacks and about 60 pressures.  However, it is likely he would be rotational here, logging about 500 snaps.   A lot of this decision depends on how we feel about Princely.  If they like his development, you probably do not draft an Edge in round 1 or maybe even 2 for several reasons (and many may disagree with this logic, but a good GM has long-term vision):  1. That would give you 3 Edge contracts to negotiate in 3-4 years.  2.  Edges take time to develop.  They would peak around 2028.  The Panthers are in "win now" mode, I think. Mafe (Seahawks, PFF 69.2) is another option, but he is more along the lines of Scourton and Jones II.  He would command a contract in the $10m range. Kwity Paye (Indianapolis, PFF 68.7) He is about 28 and is expected to sign a deal around $18m per season.  I am not that impressed, but he is considered "above average."  I'd rather have Ebiketie from Atlanta for $10m per season less. Center:  The center position in the draft is looking better.  There are some short armed OTs (like Parker, Duke, et al) who will project inside (G,C). Personally, I like the Center position in this draft--let Mays walk.  Re-sign Corbett, and draft a C in round 3.   Linebacker:  I am not sure what we should do here.   I think Morgan will fall in love with Cincinnati's Golday, and we would take him at #51.  Rodriguez (Texas Tech) in round 3 could be a steal.  However, I am not sure that I see value after Styles in round 1.  I think Devin Lloyd will want elite meny and he is not elite--he is good.  He will ask for $15m per season.  Leo Chenel (KC, 75.1 PFF, est. $5m) is a much better option. Safety:  I think Kam Curl would be a great fit here. (Rams, 2 Ints 87 tackles) he is very versatile. Expected to get between $10m and $12m per year, however.  In the draft, I think they like Bud Clark who should be there in round 4.  Are Moehrig, Ransom, and Simmons enough?  Tony Adams (63.7 PFF) a deep safety known for his range.  He is expected to get a 3-year, $20m deal on the market. Based on what I am seeing here and the way I am thinking right now on 2/21, here is what I might do: Free Agency CAP: I am going to assume we can clear about $50m by restructuring the contracts of Horn, Lewis, Hunt, and Brown and cutting AShawn Robinson.  We could (bold move) extend Ickey Ekwonu--considering his situation, it could be beneficial to him long term, and his guaranteed salary could be spread over the next 3 years or so. Re-sign veterans:  OL:  Corbett ($3m), Nijman ($4m), Christensen ($2.5m--2 years $5m), Jake Curhan ($1.4m-2 years, $3m).  BC may be ready around mid season, Curhan has experience at RT and G, and played well.  He has played LT in preseason.  There is NOTHING in free agency at LT--most sucked in 2025 and/or are old.  WR: Jalen Coker ($8m--4 years, $32m), LB: Rozeboom ($3.5--2 years, $7m) Cherelus ($1m)  ST: Isiah Simmons ($1.5m).  TOTAL:  Approx. $25m New Free Agents:  Linebacker:  Leo Chenal (KC, age 26) estimated $5m. Safety:  Tony Adams, (NYJ, age 27)  estimated $7m Edge: Arnold Ebikete (Atl, age 27)  estimated $7m Draft: Round 1:  Cashius Howell, Edge Texas AM (This pick gives the Panthers a situational edge rusher to pair with Princely while Ebikete and Scourton start.  Jones II could be cut to save about $4m in cap room. Round 2: Caleb Tiernan, LT, Northwestern (Good pass protector who needs work in run blocking.  I wanted Golday LB here, but if we sign Chenel, the need is lessened at LB if we re-sign Rozeboom. Tiernan is solid). Round 3:  Jake Slaughter C, Florida (Groom behind Corbett for a while, but Slaughter is an impressive C who should be ready by 2027). Round 4:  Demetrius Crownover, RT Texas AM (This guy can develop as a backup until Moton decides to leave) Round 5:  Aiden Fisher, ILB Indiana (could be a nice fit in this system.  Smart, with special teams ability)' Round 6: Ty Montgomery, WR John Carroll Univ.  (very productive with good size and hands.  a gamble, but worth a sixth) Round 7:  James Thompson Jr.  DT, Illinois (was a beast at the Shrine bowl practices and game.  For some reason, there have been a lot of undrafted free agents and day 3 DTs succeed in the NFL.  This could be one.)                          
×
×
  • Create New...