Bad Luck

[hepcat]

The Panthers will never win a championship with a black cat as a mascot 

[top dawg]

It was a collaborative loss in which both Cam and KB were instrumental in absolutely finding a way to lose, but we shouldn't have been in the position. Shula played his hand too close to the vest as usual---with Rivera's obvious ongoing blessing---and as opposed to finishing KC off, our conservative, quite predictable nature let the Chiefs right back in the game during an uninspired third quarter. 

Honestly, we were lucky that Alex Smith was so bad because there were at least three occasions where he missed wide open receivers, so we were lucky enough to still be in the driver's seat until late in the game. 

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

Why doesn't bad luck impact teams like the Patriots or Seahawks very often?  Why does the curse cloud hover over the Panthers?

 

It's not luck, it's discipline and drive and playing a FULL 60 minutes, things this team lacks in spades.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

Did we have the lead and the ball after that? Did we have the ball with a tie game with less than a minute left in the game? 

Yes.  However the 1 thing that you can't do there is throw a pick 6.

You are 2 scores up, you take the sack, or throw it away.  You absolutely do no throw into double coverage no matter what.

 

You throw into double coverage when you are down two scores in the 4th, not when up.  Bad situational awareness.

[tiger7_88]

18 hours ago, Carolina Cajun said:

We Got Shula'd.  Fire that limp dick having piece of degenerate waste of fuging life.  Seriously, a million sperm and that fuger was the winner? 

If Shula is fired, Ron will bring in another guy to do the exact same thing.

Because what we all see as "Shula" (and, yes, it is Shula calling the plays) is EXACTLY what Ron Rivera wants on offense.

The only possible way to upgrade this offense is to fire Ron Rivera.

The only possible way to stop the defense from playing like marshmallows when the Panthers have a lead is to fire Ron Rivera.

Because what we all see as "McDermott" is EXACTLY what Ron Rivera wants on defense.

If it wasn't exactly what Rivera wanted, then we'd stop doing it.  Right?

[Darvinsun]

19 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

This isn't bad luck, bad luck is when it happens once or twice a season, when it happens consistently tho, that's just not playing disciplined football.

and honestly a large part of today's loss falls squarely on Cam newton that pass was just in excusably bad and he should have known it. 

The pass was not that bad eric berry made a great  leap to snag that one out the air..it is typical of Cam to make those kind of throws to Olsen   sometimes they work sometimes they don't . 

Plus we were still up as well or tied we still had a chance to win...mistakes happen maybe he should have taken the sack..but he didn't  and the coaches have to put the best plays  tout there to route the ship...we could have just ran the ball ..  I think Cam has grown tired of the vanilla playcalling only for the lead to crumble..just tried to make something out of nothing..its the effort you want but the result not at all..Why were we even passing if line was getting blown up like that or having long pass routes.Cam has some blame but not all.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Darvinsun said:

The pass was not that bad eric berry made a great  leap to snag that one out the air..it is typical of Cam to make those kind of throws to Olsen   sometimes they work sometimes they don't . 

Plus we were still up as well or tied we still had a chance to win...mistakes happen maybe he should have taken the sack..but he didn't  and the coaches have to put the best plays  tout there to route the ship...we could have just ran the ball ..  I think Cam has grown tired of the vanilla playcalling only for the lead to crumble..just tried to make something out of nothing..its the effort you want but the result not at all..Why were we even passing if line was getting blown up like that or having long pass routes.Cam has some blame but not all.

Up two scores in the 4th.  You cannot force that pass....ever.

 

[tiger7_88]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Up two scores in the 4th.  You cannot force that pass....ever.

So is Cam Newton the only QB that's made a bad, game-changing decision up two scores in the 4th?

If not, do only bad QBs make bad, game-changing decisions up two scores in the 4th?

If not, I think your "ever" is invalid.

[Darvinsun]

14 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Up two scores in the 4th.  You cannot force that pass....ever.

 

I don't  see it as a force throw maybe he should have thrown it more to the outside toward sideline but Berry made a tremendous play on the ball....maybe he didn't see Berry coming in from the top...its risk that he takes all the time sometimes they work and sometimes they dont Brett Farve style...but yes i give him some blame ..

[AceBoogie]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Yes.  However the 1 thing that you can't do there is throw a pick 6.

You are 2 scores up, you take the sack, or throw it away.  You absolutely do no throw into double coverage no matter what.

 

You throw into double coverage when you are down two scores in the 4th, not when up.  Bad situational awareness.

It happened and after it happened we were still in position to win the game. That play was just another part of the game. I'm going to tell you the only way you stop your qb from making that type of play in that type of situation is if you make him feel like he doesn't need to. 

We can't go back to the old panthers where our qb has to play perfect football for us to win. Now if he throws a pick six on our last offensive possession that's different. But he didn't give away a lead with that one play. 

[OceanPanther]

21 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

Cam didn't lose the game. He was the offense. Players need to make plays around him and stop asking him to be your leading rusher and leading passer

Cam still makes bad choices. On our first drive of the second half, 20 plays, Cam took 2 sacks instead of throwing the ball away,, no points,, we had to punt.. then throwing it for grabs on the interception.

 

Hes still and will be our best option by far.

 

[Jangler]

You mean Shula, right? Guess your auto correct got in the way.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

So is Cam Newton the only QB that's made a bad, game-changing decision up two scores in the 4th?  No.

If not, do only bad QBs make bad, game-changing decisions up two scores in the 4th?  No.

If not, I think your "ever" is invalid.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, what I'm saying is that is a perfect example of not fully understanding the situation that you are in.

 

[thefuzz]

36 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

It happened and after it happened we were still in position to win the game. That play was just another part of the game. I'm going to tell you the only way you stop your qb from making that type of play in that type of situation is if you make him feel like he doesn't need to. 

We can't go back to the old panthers where our qb has to play perfect football for us to win. Now if he throws a pick six on our last offensive possession that's different. But he didn't give away a lead with that one play. 

Before Cam threw that pass, we were favored to win by 99.2%.

Nobody is asking for perfection, and I fully understand what Cam is and isn't capable of, but that is an absolute awful time to throw a pick 6.

We didn't put 1 point on the board in the 2nd half....could have had an easy (Gano is still here) kick for a FG, and Cam took two sacks and pushed us out of range.  I'm not saying that Cam is responsible for the O line issues, but as a Vet, as an NFL MVP, Cam has to understand the circumstance there.  When he stepped to the line, he has to look at the yardage and say to himself....no turnovers, no sacks, we may need this 3 later.

Again, it's situational awareness, something that our entire team is struggling with this season.