KK's agent makes a call??

[Ace_Aladdin]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Kris Jenkins was the most disruptive DT in franchise history before KK arrived...

if you cherry pick Jenkins' 4 Pro Bowl seasons.....he wasn't as productive as KK in his 4 in the NFL. 

But KK suddenly is sorry because he had only 6 sacks as a DT.  Donald had 8 this year on a much better DL and wasn't asked to go be a DE because the Rams had nothing 

They will blatantly lie, Big Vern was getting abused in the run game all season long I doubt he reaches KK's level as a starter, good rotational player yes.

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, Bogart said:

One season of slightly above average play due to help from the secondary and without that help he can't produce.  I'm not seeing where that warrants top dollar.  

2015 wasn't slightly above average play for a DT.  It was holy poo balls that DT is a human video game season. 

You got above average play this year from him....you just have set a bar unique bar for KK and one that applies to him. 

What was Kris Jenkins....a JAG by your standards?

[RoaringRiot]

43 minutes ago, CRA said:

Considering this is Gettlemen's first rodeo as a GM....I don't buy into the "like Dave always says" defense 

stud DTs aren't suppose to rack up 12 sacks and if they don't it isn't a sign they aren't that good.  Bradberry isn't now Norman and Butler won't be KK. 

By staying even at that position, not paying the vet over their value, and allocating those funds to fill other holes with quality players instead. 

[Ship]

There are plenty of posts showing KK failing in one on one match-ups this year.

But this isn't a talent question for me. KK can be dominant when he wants to be. My issue is this is just going to be another player who we helped develop think that he's more important than the team and too good for us.

Agents who try to play the contract game using public news are scum. A good agent keeps his negotiating at the table and does right by his client while respecting the person he negotiates with. KK's agent is already setting the tone that he isn't going to be respectful and won't listen to anything below his preconceived standards. 

An agent is literally that-- an acting representative of the player. Because of this KK is already saying he wants to sign a top money deal without any negotiating. Everything this agent does can be attributed directly to KK-- that's what he is paying him for. KK is therefore already taking a page from Josh's scummy book, trying to drag the negotiation into the public eye, in an attempt to gain an upper hand. Greg Hardy did that too, when he took his social media and panthers fandom tour-- what you thought he made an account on here because he just likes us and wanted to say hey? (at least Greg didn't go on ESPN like an ass or send some stone cold message about sitting out all year if he doesn't get a few extra million a year).

So until further notice, KK's a d-bag who thinks he's too good for us. fug'em. I'm more than happy to let DG do his thing on this asshat agent too.

[BIGH2001]

Sick of hearing this "may not play next year" bullshit.   When is the last time a player sat out an entire season over a contract dispute. Hell, outside of Kam Chancellor last year, I can't even really remember the last time a player missed a game over a contract.  Hold outs are a thing of the past.

[Ace_Aladdin]

1 minute ago, RoaringRiot said:

By staying even at that position, not paying the vet over their value, and allocating those funds to fill other holes with quality players instead. 

Having all star JAG roster  is not gonna win you games

DG just needs to learn how to compromise

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compromise - an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.

 

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

By staying even at that position, not paying the vet over their value, and allocating those funds to fill other holes with quality players instead. 

If you use your top draft picks as insurance for positions you a strong at....you greatly limit how good you could get overall. 

Shaq and Butler in a best case scenario....simply aren't impact players because in a best case scenario the guys in front of them remain for seasons after they are drafted.....and then you patch holes with bandaids instead of Shaq caliber potential talent.  

I get what Dave did with both picks....it just slows and limits how good you could be especially if you are a franchise with a draft heavy philosophy of getting better. 

[Darvinsun]

53 minutes ago, Bogart said:

Wasn't aware KK was a super stud as you put it.  He certainly is worth top money and just like Josh he can GTFO if that's what he's after.

You will never win a championship training your guys to be studs to be studs and then releasing them when time to pay the piper..some players are worth it some or not...Qb, Db, wr, dt or de are worthy of money...we dont have Belcheck to be able to skim around that type of plan...rRivera is not smart enough.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, Ship said:

There are plenty of posts showing KK failing in one on one match-ups this year.

But this isn't a talent question for me. KK can be dominant when he wants to be. My issue is this is just going to be another player who we helped develop think that he's more important than the team and too good for us.

Agents who try to play the contract game using public news are scum. A good agent keeps his negotiating at the table and does right by his client while respecting the person he negotiates with. KK's agent is already setting the tone that he isn't going to be respectful and won't listen to anything below his preconceived standards. 

An agent is literally that-- an acting representative of the player. Because of this KK is already saying he wants to sign a top money deal without any negotiating. Everything this agent does can be attributed directly to KK-- that's what he is paying him for. KK is therefore already taking a page from Josh's scummy book, trying to drag the negotiation into the public eye, in an attempt to gain an upper hand. Greg Hardy did that too, when he took his social media and panthers fandom tour-- what you thought he made an account on here because he just likes us and wanted to say hey? (at least Greg didn't go on ESPN like an ass or send some stone cold message about sitting out all year if he doesn't get a few extra million a year).

So until further notice, KK's a d-bag who thinks he's too good for us. fug'em. I'm more than happy to let DG do his thing on this asshat agent too.

All I am saying agents are equally as scummy as most front offices. NFL front offices as a whole are scummy places. 

Maybe under the Marty Hurney era I could buy this holier than thou attitude....Dave doesn't give a poo.  Dave is why players have scummy agents.  It is what it is. 

[Jon Snow]

7 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

You will never win a championship training your guys to be studs to be studs and then releasing them when time to pay the piper..some players are worth it some or not...Qb, Db, wr, dt or de are worthy of money...we dont have Belcheck to be able to skim around that type of plan...rRivera is not smart enough.

 Those studs also have to realize that they got to be studs because the team invested heavily in them to get them where they are and need to compromise a bit on their worth.   You can't pay them all top dollar so sacrifices and backup plans have to be made.   If Dave's pays KK what he wants then it's because Dave thinks KK is part of the long term plan going forward.  If not then he ain't and plan B has to step up.  Simple as that.

[RoaringRiot]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

If you use your top draft picks as insurance for positions you a strong at....you greatly limit how good you could get overall. 

Shaq and Butler in a best case scenario....simply aren't impact players because in a best case scenario the guys in front of them remain for seasons after they are drafted.....and then you patch holes with bandaids instead of Shaq caliber potential talent.  

I get what Dave did with both picks....it just slows and limits how good you could be especially if you are a franchise with a draft heavy philosophy of getting better. 

Over paying players also greatly limits how good you can be overall.

[Nails]

9 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Sick of hearing this "may not play next year" bullshit.   When is the last time a player sat out an entire season over a contract dispute. Hell, outside of Kam Chancellor last year, I can't even really remember the last time a player missed a game over a contract.  Hold outs are a thing of the past.

Yeah ironically Berry sat out all offseason. The reason?  The Chiefs CANNOT AFFORD him long term unless they completely can what they've already put together long term.  They're "all in" this year and it may, hopefully, work out for them.  But we, hopefully, will be the beneficiaries of their "all in" spending and multiple other long term deals given to others.

Unlike KK, Berry PUT UP when it was actually time to play in put up or shut up seasons for both.

Both are the same age too despite Berry being in the league three more seasons!!!

[Darvinsun]

13 minutes ago, Ship said:

There are plenty of posts showing KK failing in one on one match-ups this year.

But this isn't a talent question for me. KK can be dominant when he wants to be. My issue is this is just going to be another player who we helped develop think that he's more important than the team and too good for us.

Agents who try to play the contract game using public news are scum. A good agent keeps his negotiating at the table and does right by his client while respecting the person he negotiates with. KK's agent is already setting the tone that he isn't going to be respectful and won't listen to anything below his preconceived standards. 

An agent is literally that-- an acting representative of the player. Because of this KK is already saying he wants to sign a top money deal without any negotiating. Everything this agent does can be attributed directly to KK-- that's what he is paying him for. KK is therefore already taking a page from Josh's scummy book, trying to drag the negotiation into the public eye, in an attempt to gain an upper hand. Greg Hardy did that too, when he took his social media and panthers fandom tour-- what you thought he made an account on here because he just likes us and wanted to say hey? (at least Greg didn't go on ESPN like an ass or send some stone cold message about sitting out all year if he doesn't get a few extra million a year).

So until further notice, KK's a d-bag who thinks he's too good for us. fug'em. I'm more than happy to let DG do his thing on this asshat agent too.

Why is it that every other team in the league is willing to pay top money for certain players that make their team work..sure you can not pay everyone but you do have to pay someone..these players have to make money while they can ..they are not qbs that can not be touched but are subjected to hits every play.If you are at the top of your game you should get paid every profession works that way until they build up a nest egg and can afford friendly deals. These players are young and get low paying salaries at their youth and have to prove their worth KK and Josh did..they deserve to be paid. Do you think the top professions at any job are going to stay if they are low balled no very few do they go for money benefits and sometimes culture .  Its the same in the NFL just because they make good money to your standardsdoes not mean it is good money NFL standards.

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

Over paying players also greatly limits how good you can be overall.

Correct.

And oddly enough, no one has mentioned that the agent works for the player, not the other way around.

If Short wants to sign the tag, he doesn't need his agent's permission.