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KK vs a Desean Jackson or high $ FA

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Kk is a beast and we all wish we could keep him long term.  But would it be worth just to use the 1 year rental tag then let him leave for another high priced FA in a position of need.  If he expects Cox type $$$ it may be hard to keep the Core group.  

Butler isnt a NT.  Star is very underated as a NT in this league and we will need him long term.  Investing big $$$ in Star and KK with Butler rotating in is a Lot similar to the DWill/Stewart contracts as far as going so heavy on that end of the puzzle it leaves the rest bare with holes

As Gettleman mentioned, its a puzzle.  You need to spread the $$ around a little.  

If letting KK walk let us lock up Star, Turner, Norwell, and pick up a guy like Jackson for Cam, would it be worth it?  Or you can throw the big money to him and attempt to lock up the other big guys, but reality says youll have to let one of Star, Turner, or Norwell walk.

In the perfect world we could lock them all up long term and get one of those other top guys.  But what would be the better way to piece the puzzle if we can't.

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1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Kk is a beast and we all wish we could keep him long term.  But would it be worth just to use the 1 year rental tag then let him leave for another high priced FA in a position of need.  If he expects Cox type $$$ it may be hard to keep the Core group.  

Butler isnt a NT.  Star is very underated as a NT in this league and we will need him long term.  Investing big $$$ in Star and KK with Butler rotating in is a Lot similar to the DWill/Stewart contracts.

As Gettleman mentioned, its a puzzle.  You need to spread the $$ around a little.  

If letting KK walk let us lock up Star, Turner, Norwell, and pick up a guy like Jackson for Cam, would it be worth it?  Or you can throw the big money to him and attempt to lock up the other big guys, but reality says youll have to let one of Star, Turner, or Norwell walk.

In the perfect world we could lock them all up long term and get one of those other top guys.  But what would be the better way to piece the puzzle if we can't.

How bout the players stay satisfied with making millions a year instead of being incredibly greedy. It's annoying how much these plays demand to be paid. 

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Very informative thread above here. I'm going to assume it's correct and I believe he has us around 36.7 million (roughly with some estimated numbers). This is AFTER we tag KK and bring back Ginn. If Ginn doesn't want to sign for peanuts then let Byrd replace him. Byrd deserves a real look. Ginn's route tree is VERY limited and it gets us into trouble because Shula doesn't understand this. 

Anyway, let's say we do end up having 36 million left after KK. That's more than enough to sign DJax and even Jason Pierre Paul.

I'd then like to grab guys like Jabaal Sheard and Sebastian Vollmer (RT) on cheaper deals looking for bounce back seasons. 

Then draft one of Jamal Adams or Leonard Fournette. 

Like I said in another thread there's no reason why we can't replicate what the Nee York Giants did. They went 6-10 in 2015 (like us this year) signed Jenkins, Harrison and Vernon and improved to 11-5 this year. 

If we can grab a guy like JPP, I think it'd really open up things for KK and we may regret letting him go. But if we're going to just roll with garbage like Ealy and Johnson again I don't really see the point in paying KK all that money.

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14 minutes ago, JPino said:

How bout the players stay satisfied with making millions a year instead of being incredibly greedy. It's annoying how much these plays demand to be paid. 

No it's not. fug you going to take less money for? So they can give it to somebody else? Best believe if you don't take it the next man will. It's a dangerous game and your career can be over at any play. Not to mention the affects it has on you later in life. I never fault a player for getting every dime he can. 

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6 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

Y'all

Jackson ain't getting the big bucks, he already did, that ship has sailed

Jamison Crowder is cheap and looks to be Skins future #1 so Jackson and his big money is likely to be cut and he won't get big money again

He's going to get paid.  He still has shown he can play at a top tier level in this league.  Age, Norman is 29, just 1 year younger than Jackson.  Most people are projecting Philly to big him a big contract.  There have been old WRs in FA here in recent years who havnt produced near as Jackson now that have got solid contracts.  He's going to be the top WR weapon in FA and no ones a close 2nd, whoever needs a WR is going to pay.

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2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

No it's not. fug you going to take less money for? So they can give it to somebody else? Best believe if you don't take it the next man will. It's a dangerous game and your career can be over at any play. Not to mention the affects it has on you later in life. I never fault a player for getting every dime he can. 

I agree. I can't fault the players for wanting to get paid their fair market value. 

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8 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

 

Very informative thread above here. I'm going to assume it's correct and I believe he has us around 36.7 million (roughly with some estimated numbers). This is AFTER we tag KK and bring back Ginn. If Ginn doesn't want to sign for peanuts then let Byrd replace him. Byrd deserves a real look. Ginn's route tree is VERY limited and it gets us into trouble because Shula doesn't understand this. 

Anyway, let's say we do end up having 36 million left after KK. That's more than enough to sign DJax and even Jason Pierre Paul.

I'd then like to grab guys like Jabaal Sheard and Sebastian Vollmer (RT) on cheaper deals looking for bounce back seasons. 

Then draft one of Jamal Adams or Leonard Fournette. 

Like I said in another thread there's no reason why we can't replicate what the Nee York Giants did. They went 6-10 in 2015 (like us this year) signed Jenkins, Harrison and Vernon and improved to 11-5 this year. 

If we can grab a guy like JPP, I think it'd really open up things for KK and we may regret letting him go. But if we're going to just roll with garbage like Ealy and Johnson again I don't really see the point in paying KK all that money.

But thats including the tag.  Beyond that we are going to have to pay to have him beyond that rental and not be able to retain those guys and get a top FA in another position of need

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Just now, beastson said:

I read that Jackson has be telling people he's going back to Philly, which I don't know why of all teams

Thats what many are saying, but again most are expecting Philly to Pay him.  We offer him the $$ he wo t be against playing here with Cam

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1 minute ago, ncfan said:

But thats for the tag.  Beyond that we are going to have to pay to have him beyond that rental and not be able to reatin those guys and get a top FA in another position of need

Personally I rather tag KK this year and do the above and let Butler get one more year under his belt. 

It wasn't under KK's 3rd season he really broke out. It was too bad we didn't get to see more of Butler this year to get a better read on what his potential may be. Butler in 10 games this year registered 1.5 sacks, the exact same number KK had in his rookie year in 16 games.

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4 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

We'll offer him a decent contract similar to what Mike Wallace got from the Ravens I think

"2 year, $11,500,000 contract with the Baltimore Ravens, including a $4,500,000 signing bonus, $4,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,750,000." http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/mike-wallace-5942/

(that's not exactly getting paid, it's just a decent contract for a great player entering 30's)

Mike Wallace fell off prior, and had been a few years since he produced prio to that contract ( a Lot like Greg Jennings)  

Jackson has shown here recently he is still capable of playing at a probowl level

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