Line 17th per PFF

[iamhubby1]

16 minutes ago, stbugs said:

True but this offseason is when you can give out extensions. Don't think that it would cost more. The agents know that their players have another year or a tag, which is why they do extensions with the last year still staying the same. It just lets the agent/player get the bonus/guaranteed money earlier.

Also, I don't think we'll slap the 2nd round tender on him. We don't want to lose him and let another team set his price. We can negotiate with the tender amount.


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Good point. One thing I would add is that signing a young player with time still on his contract also allows you to keep a rising talent before he breaks out, and breaks your bank.

 

The only time you let a player play out his contract is if you plan to let him leave. Or like in KKs instance. Can't get a long term deal done.

 

Man, those tenders can be tricky as well. Put too high of a tender on a player you wish to keep, and it can cost you money. Put too low a tender, and you can lose the player. I guess that would be yet another reason to sign a player before his contract runs out.

[panther4life]

2 minutes ago, Adb6368 said:

I'm confused how us not protecting Cam Newton is the 'problem' meanwhile literally the worst offensive line in the league (Seattle) according to PFF won 10 games and received a 1st round bye this year. It's almost like they know how to disguise their weaknesses and win despite of them while we are using our weaknesses as an excuse to be bad.

It gets even weirder when you consider our offense scored more points than them this year!

 

[iamhubby1]

24 minutes ago, stbugs said:

100% agree. It's like that argument about him needing more talent from the #1 scoring offense even though we got back a WR who had 941 yards and 7TDs. He asked for more talent because Denver figured him out and he couldn't get creative as we saw. Seattle, New England, Pittsburgh and Green Bay have all gone through stretches with bad OL injuries and while sometimes the QBs got hit more, they were able to work the offense to not stress the problem area. We play Von Miller and other good pass rushers and run the same 4 second drop assuming Mike Remmers can handle them 1 on 1.


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Not really sure how this fits with what you are saying. But all 4 of those teams you mention have had OC troubles in recent years.

 

Seattle changed OCs, and their fans are still not happy. NE went through a couple OCs until McDaniels came back. Pitt changed OCs in the middle of a season, and  McCarthey in GB gave up play calling, then took it back.

 

So we are not the only team that has had OC troubles. And like @tiger7_88 is fond of saying. Shula does run the Offense that Rivera wants. I mean, we are a running team. We just had a record streak of 30+ games with over a 100yds rushing. So it may not be the most fan friendly Offense. But for what our HC wants. It works pretty well. For the most part anyway.

[iamhubby1]

25 minutes ago, Adb6368 said:

I'm confused how us not protecting Cam Newton is the 'problem' meanwhile literally the worst offensive line in the league (Seattle) according to PFF won 10 games and received a 1st round bye this year. It's almost like they know how to disguise their weaknesses and win despite of them while we are using our weaknesses as an excuse to be bad.

 

8 minutes ago, panther4life said:

It gets even weirder when you consider our offense scored more points than them this year!

 

 

Aint' this game of football a hoot? Where this will work for you, but not for them. Where there are always more questions than answers. And where fans never seem to know what the heck is going on. I don't get no better n that. I tell you what.

[panther4life]

3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

 

Aint' this game of football a hoot? Where this will work for you, but not for them. Where there are always more questions than answers. And where fans never seem to know what the heck is going on. I don't get no better n that. I tell you what.

I was being sarcastic. I'm just mind blown how many people think our only problem is Shula and if we just replaced him we'd be in the playoffs.

Your other post was excellent by the way. The most consistent winning teams like the patriots,steelers, packers and seahawks lose coordinators quite often. Most of the time its via promotion. Yet somehow these team's remain in contention year in and year out.

The biggest difference between teams like them and us are the head coaches and talent on the roster.

 

 

[iamhubby1]

5 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I was being sarcastic. I'm just mind blown how many people think our only problem is Shula and if we just replaced him we'd be in the playoffs.

Your other post was excellent by the way. The most consistent winning teams like the patriots,steelers, packers and seahawks lose coordinators quite often. Most of the time its via promotion. Yet somehow these team's remain in contention year in and year out.

The biggest difference between teams like them and us are the head coaches and talent on the roster.

 

 

 

But...what happens if we win the Division again next year? We would have won it 4 out of the last 5 years. Would that not start to qualify as a Perennial Playoff team? Would we start to be thought of as a really good team? Or would folks still say we have things to prove, and improve?

 

I would like to add that there is talent on this team. Which is why, for me, this off-season is so important. We have money, and we have great draft position. If that goes well. There is no reason to think we can't be back to being a very scary team. In which case, I would expect the Coaching Staff to return.

 

But, if things go well this off-season, and we still falter next year. Then I would not be averse to finding a new Coaching Staff.

 

So for me. Man, it is an excellent time to reside in Pantherland. Excitement abounds. And I truly love being excited.

[2jakefansinva]

1 hour ago, Adb6368 said:

I'm confused how us not protecting Cam Newton is the 'problem' meanwhile literally the worst offensive line in the league (Seattle) according to PFF won 10 games and received a 1st round bye this year. It's almost like they know how to disguise their weaknesses and win despite of them while we are using our weaknesses as an excuse to be bad.

Wilson is a better QB behind a bad Oline than Cam...imo

plus....who wouldn't love to have 6 games vs SF,LAR and Az. ?

[pantherclaw]

To be ranked 17th, is absolutely incredible, when considering all the injuries line went  through. 

[MHS831]

20 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Williams barely played much at all. He did real well from the games I saw. 

At the very least, he's an upgrade over Remmers. He shut out Beasley 2 games in a row, unlike Remmers.

Once the o-line got some stability with Larsen at center, Daryl Williams and Trai Turner showed up as of late. Even PFF agreed with that part. 

But really just got to wait it out. I think Daryl Williams is still the future until he proves otherwise. He's shown great flashes these past few games, and he's better than Remmers at everything.

Just need a healthy line period.

I disagree that Williams is better than Remmers, but agree 100% that we have to wait it out--especially if we do not address this in the draft. .  I am not sure that you can look as such a small body of work and draw the conclusion that contradicts the wisdom of the coaches.  Not that I am an expert by any means, but Williams is a waist bender at times, which means his feet get lazy and he reaches--or his reaction speed is slow.  Personally, when I watched him play I felt that his natural position in the NFL is RG.  However, Matzko is  a great OL coach, and he can bring him along.  Look at Oher's production here, Remmers' prroduction, Norwell's etc.  These guys overachieve here routinely.

I am not as sold on Williams as you are, but if he can get those heavy feet moving, take better angles (that comes with better quickness and feet) etc, he will improve.  I have already seen improvement, but if he can't beat out Remmers in year three, he is what he is..

[MHS831]

Considering the money spent on our OL, the injuries, etc.  17th is amazing.

[Adb6368]

Wilson is a better QB behind a bad Oline than Cam...imo

plus....who wouldn't love to have 6 games vs SF,LAR and Az. ?

Completely agree Wilson is better behind the bad oline but honestly, that's inexcusable. Cam should be Wilson on steroids in areas of the game. However, there are times Wilson seems to be making the things happen while cam is thinking too much. Cam needs to take what's there and not try to hit the home run every play


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[beastson]

1 hour ago, Adb6368 said:

Completely agree Wilson is better behind the bad oline but honestly, that's inexcusable. Cam should be Wilson on steroids in areas of the game. However, there are times Wilson seems to be making the things happen while cam is thinking too much. Cam needs to take what's there and not try to hit the home run every play


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Not comparable though. Seattle offense gets the ball out of wilson hands in a hurry, wilson is also smaller and more shifty. Cam can't move like a-rod or wilson in the pocket. If Wilson first read isn't there, he looks to run. Cam actually stays in the pocket until he finds something. There's also a huge notion that cam is looking for the big play, our offense has our 2nd TE and RB helping to block. Our RB isn't a safety blanket for Cam to throw to when nothing is open. Its one reason an OC and a new offense needs to come in

[Saca312]

Just now, Adb6368 said:

Completely agree Wilson is better behind the bad oline but honestly, that's inexcusable. Cam should be Wilson on steroids in areas of the game. However, there are times Wilson seems to be making the things happen while cam is thinking too much. Cam needs to take what's there and not try to hit the home run every play


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Seattle's playcalling allows receivers to be open short. It allows gives him holes and space from the o-line to scramble.

Our offense doesn't allow that, hence the pocket collapsing on all sides and Cam unable to throw to anyone. No one is open short.

[L-TownCat]

On 1/13/2017 at 4:37 PM, AceBoogie said:

An offensive line that's ranked 17th,in an offense that requires more time for routes to develop down field, with a qb with an eye for the big play, you will get what you got this year. You have to have a top 10 line at least, with the offense we run. 

Picture perfect post.