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Watching these playoff team's offenses

tiger7_88

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36 minutes ago, Borat said:

Newton had by far the worst completion percentage of qualifying QBs -- the second worst was nearly 4 p.p. better. You can't blame that sort of statistical deviance on an OC. 

 

And perhaps Shula avoids calling for short, accurate passes for the same reason Kyle Shanahan doesn't call QB keepers for Matt Ryan. 

People in here are in such denial about the terrible play from the QB position this season and how much that affected the offense.

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7 minutes ago, Malt Liquor said:

An efficient offense can wear a good defense out. A championship team needs to be balanced on both side of the ball. Offense and Defense wins championships. Right now the Panthers is more talented on defense, it's time to have playmaker on offense other than Cam Newton.

I hear what you're saying.

Oh yeah, Greg says "Hello!"

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35 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

Atlanta is winning because they are effective at running the ball with Coleman and Freeman

Carolina 2015 - 501 pass attempts, 526 rush attempts

Atlanta 2016 - 537 pass attempts, 421 rush attempts

Yes, Atlanta is "effective at running the ball", but that's because they have receivers that can get open to whom Ryan can throw the ball which other teams are forced to respect. 

In other words, Atlanta takes advantage of the NFL rules as established in 2016-2017 instead of pretending that its still 1979.

Guess what Ron Rivera and Mike Shula don't do and don't have?

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People in here are in such denial about the terrible play from the QB position this season and how much that affected the offense.



No Panther fan is denying that. That's an obvious statement and outlook. We just realize that good OC's can make players look good though. Meanwhile Cam been making this coaching look good since he came in as a rookie
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Well both Rivera and Shula acknowledged that the passing offense needs to get better from the ground up which involves the players, position coaches, and coordinators. This is not solely a Cam or Shula issue. There were problems with execution and play design. There needs to be a scheme change. With Cam's arm we should be running short,intermediate, and deep routes because he can hit any point on the field, we have to design plays that get the ball out of his hands quicker instead of running deep routes that encourage him to hold onto the ball. 

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8 minutes ago, beastson said:

 


No Panther fan is denying that. That's an obvious statement and outlook. We just realize that good OC's can make players look good though. Meanwhile Cam been making this coaching look good since he came in as a rookie

 

Blaming coaching, offensive line, wide receivers, running backs and defense is a form of denial.

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49 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

Atlanta is winning because they are effective at running the ball with Coleman and Freeman

Dallas is the one see because of their run game

New England looks invincible because of the duo of Blount and Dion Lewis

Laveon Bell has single handidly changed the steelers season

 

Ron is right. We need to run the ball better to lengthen drives and take some pressure off Cam. 

Meanwhile Aaron Rodgers is single handedly destroying people

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32 minutes ago, Riverboat Ron said:

I'll take a top 5 defense that can wear down opposing teams with a top 3 run game over a 500+ yard passing team any day. 

2016 - 26th in scoring defense, 21st in total yards surrendered

2015 - 6th in scoring defense, 6th in total yards surrendered

2014 - 21st and 10th

2013 - 2nd and 2nd

2012 - 18th and 10th

2011 - 27th and 28th

Average defense in the Ron Rivera years: 17th in scoring defense, 13th in total yards surrendered

So, six years in, at what point in Ron Rivera's head coaching career can we be expecting this consistent Top 5 defense?

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27 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Carolina 2015 - 501 pass attempts, 526 rush attempts

Atlanta 2016 - 537 pass attempts, 421 rush attempts

Yes, Atlanta is "effective at running the ball", but that's because they have receivers that can get open to whom Ryan can throw the ball which other teams are forced to respect. 

In other words, Atlanta takes advantage of the NFL rules as established in 2016-2017 instead of pretending that its still 1979.

Guess what Ron Rivera and Mike Shula don't do and don't have?

Julio Jones, Sanu, Gabriel, and an offensive line that started all 16 games together?

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5 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

Julio Jones, Sanu, Gabriel, and an offensive line that started all 16 games together?

Sanu & Gabriel combined for 634 yards and 1 TD last year. I attribute improvement to HUGE upgrade at center to Mack, teamwide increasing ease in KS's system, and a jump in Ryan's play that not even the biggest homers saw coming. 

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56 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

People in here are in such denial about the terrible play from the QB position this season and how much that affected the offense.

Who's in denial? You like to go around saying stuff like this, but most everyone in here has admitted he was terrible this year.

So what are you talking about?

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15 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

Julio Jones, Sanu, Gabriel, 

Sanu and Gabriel have never been anything special.  But in the scheme that Shanahan is running with Atlanta?  Gosh, its almost as if they're different players!  Could be position coaching too.

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offensive line that started all 16 games together?

Great point.

But in the Mike Shula years:

2016 - 15th in points scored, 19th in total offense.

2015 - 1st in points scored, 11th in total offense

2014 - 19th and 16th

2013 - 18th and 26th

See if you can pick out the year above which was the anomaly.  And even with that anomaly of a year, Shula's average offense is 13th in points scored and 18th in total offense.

Which is exactly what Shula has ALWAYS been... mediocre.

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1 hour ago, Borat said:

Newton had by far the worst completion percentage of qualifying QBs -- the second worst was nearly 4 p.p. better. You can't blame that sort of statistical deviance on an OC. 

 

And perhaps Shula avoids calling for short, accurate passes for the same reason Kyle Shanahan doesn't call QB keepers for Matt Ryan. 

Yea as much as we blame Shula, sometimes I think he's actually doing Cam a favor. Hiding his flaws.

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