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Derek Barnett is just a productive college DE. His limited athleticism is what caps his ceiling.

Most polished and refined coming out technique-wise, with rumors he's reached his ceiling. Would rather take those with high ceilings in the 2nd round. Derek Rivers is a name quickly becoming a favorite of mine.

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6 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Derek Barnett is just a productive college DE. His limited athleticism is what caps his ceiling.

Most polished and refined coming out technique-wise, with rumors he's reached his ceiling. Would rather take those with high ceilings in the 2nd round. Derek Rivers is a name quickly becoming a favorite of mine.

You don't need elite athleticism to excel in the NFL. The nuances and technique, particularly at a position like DE are far more important. There is no ceiling in the NFL, if you've got a smart player. A player's ceiling is his intelligence and work effort, not athleticism. You can't put a cap on improving technique and understanding of the game. Barnett is the best prospect there, and can and will keep improving. 

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Just now, thomas96 said:

You don't need elite athleticism to excel in the NFL. The nuances and technique, particularly at a position like DE are far more important. There is no ceiling in the NFL, if you've got a smart player. A player's ceiling is his intelligence and work effort, not athleticism. You can't put a cap on improving technique and understanding of the game. Barnett is the best prospect there, and can and will keep improving. 

He's the best prospect coming in as a complete pass rusher, I'd agree. He very well could be the rookie leader in sacks because of his completeness.

Down the road, I could name 4-5 prospects who will likely be every down DEs and producing great stuff. There are better prospects with way higher ceilings down the road that I'd rather take later, since we do not need an every down DE just yet. Barnett would be a nice late 1st round/early second round pick, but not at 8. 

Just my opinion. I respect Barnett's game though, and he will be decent. I just don't see him being a monster because you can't teach athleticism. You can say technique and work all you want, but matter is you need a bit more strength and athlete in you if you want to put all that on the field with force.

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42 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Sounds like from Jeremy's info he's not a big target for us. Which is a shame to me because he reminds me so much of Greg Hardy on the field and would step in to be our best DE since Hardy left from day 1 and it wouldn't be close. Nothing like Hardy off the field, and not as crazy as him on the field (don't think he'll be telling Ryan to get off his field ever) but his play is just so similar. Dominant against the run, a more than capable and improving pass rusher despite limited athleticism, and can kick inside or out and even drop back in coverage. Would love to get him at 8 if Thomas, Adams and Fournette are gone, but doesn't seem like it's in the cards. I could honestly see him going top 5 though. 

 

Obviously not realistically possible but in this draft I see two DEs who remind me a lot of CJ and Hardy. Solomon Thomas and Derek Barnett. If there were any way, even trading next year's first and second, whatever, I'd try to get both of these guys. We'd be absolutely set on the DL for years and our front 7 would be even more dominant than it was in 2013. And with the young improving pieces in the secondary, and vets like Peppers and CJ still here at DE too we could build a defense with Wilks that could easily be the best we've ever seen and possibly one of the best in league history.

That's my dream scenario and one that isn't impossible but not realistic. Theoretically Thomas could fall to us at 8 and Barnett could be sitting there in the early to mid teens. I would trade next year's first and a second this year to get Barnett in the teens in that scenario. DE, arguably our biggest need on the team right now, would be set for years.

If he's REALLY not on the board (and why did we bring him in if he isn't?) then the "pass rusher, pass rusher, pass rusher", "football isn't played in underweah", "tightrope present and future" comments all these years were either bunk or someone kidnapped the real GMan.

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Just now, Nails said:

If he's REALLY not on the board (and why did we bring him in if he isn't?) then the "pass rusher, pass rusher, pass rusher", "football isn't played in underweah", "tightrope present and future" comments all these years were either bunk or someone kidnapped the real GMan.

There are far better prospects we could take than Barnett. Barnett ain't a hog mollie, and everyone knows that.

In fact, Slaytics doesn't like him, and it's a pretty close indicator of success

 

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2 minutes ago, Nails said:

If he's REALLY not on the board (and why did we bring him in if he isn't?) then the "pass rusher, pass rusher, pass rusher", "football isn't played in underweah", "tightrope present and future" comments all these years were either bunk or someone kidnapped the real GMan.

I'm sure he's on the board but Jeremy hasn't had him listed in his tier 1 or tier 2 prospects that are in play at 8. Seems like according to Jeremy they may like him later but not that high.

Personally, I think, and hope, that it's a smokescreen to some degree and that we really love Barnett because like you said he fits in here perfectly. He is the prototype of a Ron Rivera and Dave Gettleman player. I think it's very possible he's somebody we're targeting in a possible trade up back into the first and may have been on DG's mind while thinking about the Ealy trade.

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6 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

There are far better prospects we could take than Barnett. Barnett ain't a hog mollie, and everyone knows that.

In fact, Slaytics doesn't like him, and it's a pretty close indicator of success

 

Then he's either right, wrong, or bipolar.

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