Analysis: Beyond The Completion Percentage - Why Carolina's Scheme And Weapons Made Life Hard For Cam

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, tiger7_88 said:

And there it is... first out of the box.

I thought, at the very least, it would have been Page 2.

I don't understand what you mean.

[falconidae]

33 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I'm honestly surprised how many Falcon fans are getting triggered over this.

They went to the Superbowl last year and are still salty about a 6-10 Panthers team. To go this far in trying to make Cam sound like he's garbage is pretty telling of their lack of confidence their team will repeat their success next year.

I'm not triggered, just having an off season discussion. And, I for one, have not tried to make Cam sound like garbage. I said that number 3 overall is too high for him, that he's a top 10 QB, that's not garbage.

Only thing I've done here is disagree with you that Cam is extremely accurate [ and you actually changed your thread title after we talked] and made the claim that he shoulders some of the blame for all the long difficult throws because he passes up easy ones.

 

 

[tiger7_88]

3 minutes ago, falconidae said:

I'm not triggered, just having an off season discussion.

The only "discussion" you ever seem to have in this forum is denigrating the performance and character of Cam Newton.

Considering that's the value you "add" to this forum, its beyond me why you are still allowed to be here.  

[panthers55]

47 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Cam should know this stuff by now, don't you think? Brady was doing all of these things in year 2.

He did a lot of it in 2015 behind a good line when he had confidence. He took a beating last year and you could tell he was rattled much of the time. I expect him to get back on track this year.

[tiger7_88]

 

[t96]

3 hours ago, Saca312 said:

@falconidae So what was your opinion of that play in the Superbowl right where Patriots DT Flowers sacked Matt Ryan.

Whose fault? Playcalling or Matt Ryan?

Dumb comparison, but in response to your question that was Ryan's fault, not the play calling at all.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

14 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

 

Y'all can post that stuff until the cows come home but Cam's career completion percentage is still below 60%. Nobody is saying that Cam is a bad QB or that we  want anybody else, but clearly he can do better than that if he really wants to and it's not all on the OC.

[Saca312]

Just now, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Y'all can post that stuff until the cows come home but Cam's career completion percentage is still below 60%. Nobody is saying that Cam is a bad QB or that we would want anybody else, but clearly he can do better than that if he really wants to and it's not all on the OC.

Of course it isn't all on the OC, but a large part is. Not really seeing why this is being debated to death. Fact is Cam had no weapons and his OC didn't do anything to help.

[tiger7_88]

7 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Nobody is saying that Cam is a bad QB or that we  want anybody else, but...

lol

[Hogmolliesmaht]

15 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

lol

I don't know why you're lol'ing. I'm pointing this stuff out because I know Cam CAN do better, regardless of who the OC is or who is playing LT. It is a fact that he could benefit from checking it down more and/or  changing into better plays. This is not something that just started last year either, which is why I pointed out that he's below 60% for his career. I'm betting that he would tell you the same thing if you asked him.

[falconidae]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

The only "discussion" you ever seem to have in this forum is denigrating the performance and character of Cam Newton.

Considering that's the value you "add" to this forum, its beyond me why you are still allowed to be here.  

One,  haven't said anything negative about Cam's character

Two, I've said he was a good QB, I said he was a top ten QB but not a top 3 one, that he's not as accurate as some here would like to pretend and that he has some blame for all the difficult long passes.

How is that denigrating him at all? 

Three, some of my posts from 2016 have disappeared, I've commented on various topics since I've been here.

Can't find a Code of Conduct for the site, but don't think I've done anything to get myself banned. 

 

[lightsout]

Let me help some folks here.

Everybody knows Cam's numbers. We know them. We know what those numbers tend to suggest about a QB. What the argument is is that with better talent (as in, not bottom tier skill talent outside of Greg Olsen) and with better playcalling/schemes, Cam's numbers would have been much better and this myth of him being inaccurate would be nonexistent. Cam misses throws because QBs miss throws sometimes (even Brady). It happens. He misses the same amount, on average, as most QBs. His numbers end up looking worse because he's throwing the ball much deeper than most QBs, on average.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

21 minutes ago, lightsout said:

Let me help some folks here.

Everybody knows Cam's numbers. We know them. We know what those numbers tend to suggest about a QB. What the argument is is that with better talent (as in, not bottom tier skill talent outside of Greg Olsen) and with better playcalling/schemes, Cam's numbers would have been much better and this myth of him being inaccurate would be nonexistent. Cam misses throws because QBs miss throws sometimes (even Brady). It happens. He misses the same amount, on average, as most QBs. His numbers end up looking worse because he's throwing the ball much deeper than most QBs, on average.

That doesn't really help anybody. The question is why does he throw further downfield all the time? Is it his own decision making or is it the OC? I believe that Cam has plenty of influence on game planning and he definitely has a say in who he's  throwing it to on any given play, and that you can't blame everything bad that happens on the OC or the play calling. Hell, people are already bashing Shula for next season and that's just ludicrous.

[Saca312]

4 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

That doesn't really help anybody. The question is why does he throw further downfield all the time? Is it his own decision making or is it the OC? I believe that Cam has plenty of influence on game planning and he definitely has a say in who he's  throwing it to on any given play, and that you can't blame everything bad that happens on the OC or the play calling. Hell, people are already bashing Shula for next season and that's just ludicrous.

Note your use of words "believe" and "think" which suggest subjective opinion when discussing the scheme and Cam's role. You have no evidence to back your claim even though you've been refuted constantly by those who have watched film of Cam. Thus, all you're doing is spouting opinionated bullcrap that comes from nothing.

If necessary, I can bring up three guys who have watched Cam's 2016 season right now who have publicly said scheme and offensive personnel in said scheme was the reason Cam struggled. These are factual assessments of events that actually occurred.