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Business or Family? The Path to a Successfully Ran Organization

Daddy_Uncle

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39 minutes ago, Jmac said:


Two championships, one SB appearance and won twice as many games as they lost under his watch. Not to shabby at all. Would you rather be back in the ten years prior to his hiring?

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The biggest change for this franchise has been the maturation of Ron Rivera as a coach and Cam Newton as a quarterback. Not David fuging Gettleman

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46 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

That's not how it works. Do you know how many former Giant, Steeler and Patriot players trashed their respective bosses because they were 'cruel'? What's good for business is a healthy cap and the hardware. We didn't have the hardware but we came real close to getting a trophy last season.

Richardson is an emotional guy and it explains why we're an inconsistent franchise. Let's not bullpoo it here. He also fired Morrison, and he was loved by everybody.

I don't hear anybody bashing Bill after they leave the patriots. 

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49 minutes ago, CamMoon said:

You don't win in the NFL with "core". You win with 5th and 6th round picks, and guys off of the streets. You can say whatever you'd like about DG, but he was a fantastic talent elevator, and got out out of cap hell, (due to in large part JR giving an over the hill Jake Delhomme 40 million dollars). To say he did nothing to build this team is just stupid and dishonest.

Oh ok. So you don't win with good qbs, got it. It's the other guys. Right. 

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This notion that you're not suppose to like you boss is bullshit, you typical work harder for people you like, smitty,td, and Olsen clearly busted there ass for this franchise, and jr. Being able to differentiate the two is pivotal. I don't know where you guys get the notion that having your employees hate you breeds great business, and I dare a mf to bring up the patriots....

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

This notion that you're not suppose to like you boss is bullshit, you typical work harder for people you like, smitty,td, and Olsen clearly busted there ass for this franchise, and jr. Being able to differentiate the two is pivotal. I don't know where you guys get the notion that having your employees hate you breeds great business, and I dare a mf to bring up the patriots....

 

 

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Don't think that anyone is saying the players are supposed to hate the boss. I think what they're saying is you can't have a deep emotional connection to them, especially in a cutthroat business like the NFL. Deep personal relationships can skew your perceptions and make doing the necessary thing almost impossible. 

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Don't think that anyone is saying the players are supposed to hate the boss. I think what they're saying is you can't have a deep emotional connection to them, especially in a cutthroat business like the NFL. Deep personal relationships can skew your perceptions and make doing the necessary thing almost impossible. 

Yeah you're correct, it can skew perception but I don't think that's the case with smitty, Olsen, and td, I believe they're the exception. We're talking 3 players out of 53, and the contract these guys would have receive doesn't hamper the team long term or short imo .


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I appreciate that JR wants the Panthers to feel like family. I see the flaws in that thinking from a business perspective. However family is the nature and core of team sports, especially football. 

The Panthers are generally a successful franchise as well. We all sht on Hurney and yes he did overspend. But we also made a Superbowl appearance and two NFC championships with his methods. He also got us Cam and Luke. His problem was that he didn't let go of Fox soon enough.

I don't think DG was fired for his approach to team building, drafting, or how he handled the cap. He did well in those categories. But there must be something a miss here on a personal level of how he handles things with players. And that's important. 

Steve Smith was a 13 year Panther vet and one of JRs closest. That kind of relationship means something to people. Beyond graphs and pie charts (Pun Intended)

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you bust your a$$ for your family and that contract. I doubt guys went all out for Marty Hurney, instead they played him like a fool which is why he is a radio show host and not someone earning $4 million / year as an NFL GM. Ozzie Newsome doesn't play favorites, he let guys like Haloti Ngata walk, Torey Smith, etc, they have had some lean years of late but that is one of the best run franchises. Ted Thompson also comes to mind, drafts well, likes to take care of his own but doesn't mind to let guys walk when the price doesn't match the performance, it is why GB will always be in title contention perpetually with Aaron Rogers and the Panthers are lucky if their former MVP can yield the team to an able .500 record

Hurneys no better, he instead handed out contracts to every vet on the team, the point is you can be in the middle, and we gotta quit comparing ourselves to other franchises, we have to build and sculpt the panthers way, so one day we can have other teams or clubs trying to emulate us, I'm fine with how do ran things for most part but the inability to budge or make exceptions to his own rules was his downfall


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2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:


Yeah you're correct, it can skew perception but I don't think that's the case with smitty, Olsen, and td, I believe they're the exception. We're talking 3 players out of 53, and the contract these guys would have receive doesn't hamper the team long term or short imo .


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There are certain players that bring things to the team you can't replace. You can't replace Smitty's desire to prove to everyone that a 5'9" WR could dominate in the NFL. TD has more heart than most teams in the league. Olsen is the guy that always steps up no matter what. Those guys are damn near impossible to find. You pay for those intangibles. But man, when you say goodbye it's gonna hurt, and you don't do it until there is no other option. 

Gman strikes me as a guy that has the finesse of a sledgehammer. Good for some things, really bad for others.  

 

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3 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:


Yeah you're correct, it can skew perception but I don't think that's the case with smitty, Olsen, and td, I believe they're the exception. We're talking 3 players out of 53, and the contract these guys would have receive doesn't hamper the team long term or short imo .


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FYI.....TD and Olsen are under contract....

no need extending a 34 year old LB under contract

TD is my favorite......but you have no idea if it will hamper us or not.

 

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17 hours ago, 2jakefansinva said:

FYI.....TD and Olsen are under contract....

no need extending a 34 year old LB under contract

TD is my favorite......but you have no idea if it will hamper us or not.

 

depends, we don't even know if an extension was even offered, and that could have been the main issue, Td knows he's not getting big money or anything near it, i'm assuming it was more so how the situation was handled 

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