How to get our offense not to suck in 5 steps

[CRA]

Just now, Snake said:

Not questioning that but you can't protect your QB and run the read option. It's also why the lineman get confused. We suck at running and don't want Newton taking hits so why even bother?

Well if Cam throws 50 times a game you are guaranteed bad Cam comes out.....but as we saw Thurs we still have shots to win.  Heck maybe you are right....with out all those wasted Stew downs we could of had more success.  Pass or scramble 

[Snake]

3 minutes ago, shreddingdefense said:

Activate Alex Armah on game days as our starting fb, maybe even line him up as te2 for time to time.  Start running the ball in i formation with armah as lead fb blocker.  More passing plays with cam under center. Run more from that and less from shtogun.  More qb rollouts out of play action. Heck just bring back the offense jake delhomme ran under dan henning. Pass on 1st down more often.  Line up our Christian Mccafery as a slot receiver.  If up by 14 or more points, on offense keep trying to get the ball in the endzone. Crush our opponents windpipe, and chop off their arms and legs...don't let them regenerate health like cod.

I ask you this though. Does a full back really matter if your tackles can't run block? 

[t96]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Everyone complains about the read option....

but that has been our most consistent method to actually produce on the ground. Our traditional rush attack has been pathetic for years now....Cam at least can make plays and guys can off him (even if it isn’t consistent....it is more so than the traditional run)

That's because it's what the coach's focus on. They're either lazy or retarded. They can't or won't try to build a legitimate run game that doesn't rely entirely on Cam. If we have to assume that the coaching staff can't build a real rushing attack without Cam then yes the read option is the only option, but I don't think that has to be the case. We didn't run a ton of read option in 2013 and I think that was the last year our run game was a threat without relying on Cam--Cam's rushing was a lot of scrambles that year rather than designed runs like in 2015. DeAngelo actually ran very well in '13, and we should use McC now like we used D-Will then. D-Will never ran the read option well, that has been Stew's game, and our rushing attack has not been as good with Stew as it was with D-Will even in '13.

[Snake]

Just now, CRA said:

Well if Cam throws 50 times a game you are guaranteed bad Cam comes out.....but as we saw Thurs we still have shots to win.  Heck maybe you are right....with out all those wasted Stew downs we could of had more success.  Pass or scramble 

It's exactly what I'm saying. In a perfect world we would rest Cam's arm with a solid run game but we are really really bad at it. I rather chip away with a bunch of short passes. We actually have the personnel to do it this year. It's also safer for Newton to scramble than to rush. 

[shreddingdefense]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

I ask you this though. Does a full back really matter if your tackles can't run block? 

Maybe so, but at this point anything is worth a shot. 

[tiger7_88]

11 minutes ago, Snake said:

It just might work though... 

Rivera and Shula don't think so.

[Snake]

1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

That's because it's what the coach's focus on. They're either lazy or retarded. They can't or won't try to build a legitimate run game that doesn't rely entirely on Cam. If we have to assume that the coaching staff can't build a real rushing attack without Cam then yes the read option is the only option, but I don't think that has to be the case. We didn't run a ton of read option in 2013 and I think that was the last year our run game was a threat without relying on Cam--Cam's rushing was a lot of scrambles that year rather than designed runs like in 2015. DeAngelo actually ran very well in '13, and we should use McC now like we used D-Will then. D-Will never ran the read option well, that has been Stew's game, and our rushing attack has not been as good with Stew as it was with D-Will even in '13.

It's because we were in cap hell and had no money. Kalil is terrible at run blocking and Williams is just as bad. Read option would work but not when trying to protect Cam's shoulder. Scrap it and simply. Use options with McCaffrey, Stewart, and Samuel. Add screens and short passes. FYI we have done this but Shula always ditches it for pounding Stewart. 

[Snake]

3 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Rivera and Shula don't think so.

Probably should stick to left iso on first down anyway. 

[KillerKat]

1. Fire Shula
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[Snake]

10 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

1. Fire Shula
2. Fire Shula
3. Fire Shula
4. Fire Shula
5. Fire Shula

You forgot to add hire Shula then fire him again. Why cause fug you that's why. 

[Jimmy]

Except we don't run the read option that much anymore...a few plays last game and that was it. When we did run it it worked

[Cpt slay a ho]

either run blocking gets better, or one of the wr's is going to have to make opposing defense play for stacking the box, funchess so far has been doing a good job lately 

[Snake]

48 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

Except we don't run the read option that much anymore...a few plays last game and that was it. When we did run it it worked

I haven't numerically broke it down but we run it quite a bit and yes better than a simple iso but not good enough to gain yards on good defenses. No matter what we run through our oline sucks at run blocking. We are better just abandoning it and using the pass to losen up the coverage. 

[Snake]

49 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

either run blocking gets better, or one of the wr's is going to have to make opposing defense play for stacking the box, funchess so far has been doing a good job lately 

When we pass we gain yards. I mean we convert 2nd and 11 easily and consistently. What if we didn't have to dig out of those holes. Passing is not our problem. Our commitment to trying to be a running team is. Newton will gain his yards no matter what. The best thing about Chud was he knew when the run game didn't work you start firing out of shotgun till the defense respects the pass. Even then Rivera was having a hissy fit he want using the run game enough yet he put up 35 points every game.