Great moments in bad timing

[Danish Panther]

9 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

Well, considering he handled the cap for Washington and that was his speciality. Most think he had running orders from JR and fell on the sword for him as well since they are friends. 

Not that it's a good thing either way, but I'm not sure Hurney was actually responsible for the cap mess tbh. I completely blame JR for wanting to save face after the CBA fiasco. 

I actualy think you are right that JR could have forced Hurney to spend the money on his favourite players and giving them lucrative contracts, and Hurney kind of took the fall for that. But as you say, that is not good either, because he could have refused instead of being a yes man.  

If I remember it correctly, Igo and Voth both reported, that G-Man was told to spend big money going into this very off season. I am sure that was primarely about JR forcing G-Man to bring in Matt Kallil, to please him and Ryan. This move /contract was so not Gettleman. I think, that G-Man got realy upset about it, and he let JR know that he was. This was another big step towards his latter firing (The cutting og Smith and Norman was also, since they were also JRs "sons"). Then later, when TD and Greg demanded more money, JR was interfering again - Gettleman had enough of it and told him to back off. Then JR fired him on the spot.

And that is why I will forever respect G-man more than Hurney. The very fact that Hurney again has taken this job just shows, how spineless he is, and that is why we all should be worried about the future. The senile JR with his focus on high moral players is in FULL controle of  THE ROSTER again. Now add on top of that, a HC that is also a yes man...Not good...

[Jon Snow]

5 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    So, what you are saying is. That now that you are more willing to voice your displeasure. We are the ones that have to suffer? Well, isn't that special.

Isn't that how it works around here?

[raleigh-panther]

10 hours ago, TwoMinuteWarning said:

Also dumb... You wait as long as you can for surgery based on expected recovery time. It's always better to heal without surgery. 

You're mad because the Panthers did what EVERY team does...

Lol

With any hopes of playoffs gone, quite a few NFL former coaches and Execs and players agreed with it not being smart to play Newton in December risking further injury  and then delaying the surgery which impacted his readiness for training camp

But YOU think EVERY team does this with injured QBs thus my supposition is dumb

I will take their experience and credible views over any of yours

[tiger7_88]

12 hours ago, Lumps said:

As I said in another thread, JR is not hiring a qualified third party to find a most qualified candidate like Gettle. As of now Hurney is doing the search...but regardless JR hadblatantly shown he cares very little for qualifications or the ‘best candidate’. What he wants is someone he meshes with, can meddle with and someone who does not give resistance or question his will.

Thus no need to worry about all the best candidates being gone already JR’s guy will be much like Hurney was...not even on the radar.

Maybe, in retrospect, JR's sons had the right idea back when (just bad execution).

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, Krovvy said:

Another thing about the cap I don't see often mentioned was the cap stagnated, and was even lowered in the last years of Hurney's tenure. During Gettleman's time with the Panthers the cap increased about 10 million a year on average.

It went down from 2009 to 2011 (2010 was an un-capped year) because 1. the CBA was negotiated and signed between 2009 and 2011 and 2. part of the CBA was the agreement to the rookie salary cap (which brought out-of-control rookie salaries down for players that had never played a day in the NFL) which was reflected in the overall salary cap.

And even then, the drop between 2009 and 2011 was only from $123 million to $120 million.  The salary cap has gone up every year since that drop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap#National_Football_League

 

[JonTravels]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

Lol

With any hopes of playoffs gone, quite a few NFL former coaches and Execs and players agreed with it not being smart to play Newton in December risking further injury  and then delaying the surgery which impacted his readiness for training camp

But YOU think EVERY team does this with injured QBs thus my supposition is dumb

I will take their experience and credible views over any of yours

The fact that Cam is a QB shouldn't matter at all. The smart medical decision is to try and let it heal on its own, surgery should always be a last resort, it's hard on anyone's body. If you have a 2 month recovery time wait until 2 months before you are needed and if the injury has not healed then you have the surgery...

 

Just because hindsight has us saying Cam wasn't 100% ready doesn't mean we didn't follow a universally accepted timeline. 

 

As for the taking heads, NFL execs or whoever that said we fuged up... Do they have access to Cam's medical files? Do you really thick our staff wanted Cam to be hurt to start the year. You're delusional if so. 

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, TwoMinuteWarning said:

The fact that Cam is a QB shouldn't matter at all. The smart medical decision is to try and let it heal on its own, surgery should always be a last resort, it's hard on anyone's body. If you have a 2 month recovery time wait until 2 months before you are needed and if the injury has not healed then you have the surgery...

Just because hindsight has us saying Cam wasn't 100% ready doesn't mean we didn't follow a universally accepted timeline. 

As for the taking heads, NFL execs or whoever that said we fuged up... Do they have access to Cam's medical files? Do you really thick our staff wanted Cam to be hurt to start the year. You're delusional if so. 

He wasn't talking so much about the surgery as that they were continuing to trot Newton out on the field even though he was hurt and we were pretty much out of the playoffs. 

It's pretty generally agreed that was stupid, especially looking at how much trouble Newton had after that. 

[iamhubby1]

6 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Isn't that how it works around here?

 

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty sure this isn't much fun for anybody, Hub. 

I will never ever cheer against the Panthers, but I can't pretend to be optimistic right now when I'm not. 

 

    So you are telling me this place is in meltdown mode over KB being traded, and Hurndog coming back? I mean, c'mon man. 

 

    We are 5-3, with 2 of those loses coming against Division Leaders. And yet folks are up in arms. I just don't get it.

 

    90% of post nowadays are hate filled tripe, rehashing the same tired points. Over, and over again.Then when someone tries to interject some positivity around here. They will get attacked. 

 

    I mean, can't we at least wait for the world to end before we burn it down?

[Jon Snow]

41 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

 

    So you are telling me this place is in meltdown mode over KB being traded, and Hurndog coming back? I mean, c'mon man. 

 

    We are 5-3, with 2 of those loses coming against Division Leaders. And yet folks are up in arms. I just don't get it.

 

    90% of post nowadays are hate filled tripe, rehashing the same tired points. Over, and over again.Then when someone tries to interject some positivity around here. They will get attacked. 

 

    I mean, can't we at least wait for the world to end before we burn it down?

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Hurney coming back was enough for me.  Trading KB is just a foreshadowing of what's to come.

Winter is coming. 

[heel31ok]

12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Hurney coming back was enough for me.  Trading KB is just a foreshadowing of what's to come.

Winter is coming. 

looks like Hurney is trying to be more like G-man... they need to hire him back and make them both work together...lol

[carpanfan96]

At least we know that the first round pick will be really good. That was a crapshoot with Gettleman. 

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Hurney coming back was enough for me.  Trading KB is just a foreshadowing of what's to come.

Winter is coming. 

 

    You are letting your fear of the past cloud your judgement of future events. There is no reason to believe that just because Hurndog is back, that things are going to fall apart. Fear of the future can paralyze you, and that ain't good for nobody.

 

    Trading KB was a head scratcher for sure. But I don't see it as justification for all the negativity, and  vitriol going around up in here.

 

    Folks are reacting to events that may, or may not, even happen. It is an exercise if futility if you ask me. And and utter waste of time as well.