It's funny to hear huddlers talk about audibles

[panthers55]

8 hours ago, SixMileDrive said:

So you are saying that maybe throwing a bomb on third and short might actually be a smart play from time to time? 

Seriously though, you are probably right. I started this thread b/c I made a similar comment on reddit that got a lot of positive attention. I was pretty surprised at the difference in response. To be fair, the tone was a bit different, so maybe some of it's on me.

Good points. To go even further, one of the strengths of our offense is that we have a limited number of formations but have both run and pass plays which can be executed  out of each. So we might line up the same way and run early but play action and throw from the same formation. Which also allows Cam to change the play from a run to a pass without changing the look of the formation. Then add that sometimes those so called stupid plays are called to set up something later on when they are in the same down and distance and want to confuse the defense. And finally that most audibles don't change the play completely but may change the blocking assignments for the running back or TE or change where the play is going or who is the hot read based on how the defense is aligned or whether they are blitzing or are in zone or man coverage.  And as you say, all of this is worked out during the week based on film work and collaboration between Cam and the whole offensive staff. 

So that pass to Funchess on that TD was an audible where Cam saw Miami in an all out blitz and no safeties back deep. It was a terrific read by Cam but already built into the gameplan. Your luke warm reception here is because many huddlers are influenced by the loud and decidely negative posters who are clearly Shula haters who have preconceived notions and filter everything through what they already believe rather than look at things objectively. They don't want to admit that both Cam and Shula success are tied to each other and interdependent. That attitude starts at the top at this site and is why this is the first post I have made in weeks.

[Darvinsun]

8 hours ago, GRWatcher said:

Good posts. Good luck, @SixMileDrive. I explained where audibles come from and what the QB actually did at the line a few years ago and it was basically ignored. I also advocate not taking one play at a time; it has to be understood in the context of the personnel, game and opponent. Actually, I think there's too much drinking while watching games. 

 

I dont think people actually believe that Cam was making up plays..where it came to audibles we all know I hope that these plays were created by the OC ..where many of us were saying was he wasnt getting plays in fast enough for Cam to get a chance to audible. In this game Cam had plenty of time and he changed the plays. So yes to an extent Shula did well. Maybe he is starting to get the picture..Stop overthinking and get the play in and let Cam do the rest..this is why 2015 was a success we played fast. Now that Kb is gone slow plays are being limited.shula just did not know how to use KB period. Thats why 2015 and now things look better.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

I dont think people actually believe that Cam was making up plays..where it came to audibles we all know I hope that these plays were created by the OC ..where many of us were saying was he wasnt getting plays in fast enough for Cam to get a chance to audible. In this game Cam had plenty of time and he changed the plays. So yes to an extent Shula did well. Maybe he is starting to get the picture..Stop overthinking and get the play in and let Cam do the rest..this is why 2015 was a success we played fast. Now that Kb is gone slow plays are being limited.shula just did not know how to use KB period. Thats why 2015 and now things look better.

Problem is Cam will have the play in by 15 seconds at the least given the mike cuts off at 15 seconds. Most times he has it by 20  secs or more. If you go to the games watch how much time he wastes getting into the huddle doing the first down thing and slowly walking to the huddle. Then watch  how slow he often breaks the huddle and gets to the line. It isn't Shula as much as you want to blame him. If things are moving faster credit Cam for acting with more urgency. Maybe you can't see that on the TV with how they do their coverage and maybe crowd noise on the road hurts this process but from what I see at home he has plenty of time and has all season. 

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Problem is Cam will have the play in by 15 seconds at the least given the mike cuts off at 15 seconds. Most times he has it by 20  secs or more. If you go to the games watch how much time he wastes getting into the huddle doing the first down thing and slowly walking to the huddle. Then watch  how slow he often breaks the huddle and gets to the line. It isn't Shula as much as you want to blame him. If things are moving faster credit Cam for acting with more urgency. Maybe you can't see that on the TV with how they do their coverage and maybe crowd noise on the road hurts this process but from what I see at home he has plenty of time and has all season. 

these are good points.   

A great example was last week after a Cam run...he literally sprinted another 15 yards downfield to celebrate to the crowd and the play clock was even up visible on the screen while he was doing it.....already counting down the next play.   Cam actually got aided because a Dolphin ended up being hurt.  But Cam didn't know that injury was going to save him.  That irked me.  I don't mind his preference for celebrating but it can get in the way...... 

as far as his super slow approach after breaking the huddle, that annoys me too.   I think he referenced his likely reason for it too but I don't agree with it.  If memory serves Cam was of the belief that teams could key in on how tired he was by how he broke the huddle late in games.   Early in his career he would take a knee and slowly get up when tired and didn't do that early in games.   I think he felt it gave defenders an insight to his condition at different moments of a game. So now he seems to of adopted taking a knee and slowly getting up from it while breaking the huddle all game. 

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[juliosantos]

On 11/14/2017 at 2:08 PM, SixMileDrive said:

There's something that's about the Panther's fanbase that's been been bothering me for a while now. There's a narrative that Shula will call a play then Cam will get to the line and audible out of Shula's shitty call into something he wants to run. Cam is apparently fixing all of Shula's mistakes.

Problem is....that's not how audibles work in the NFL. At all.

As a NFL QB, unless you are PFM or TB12, almost every option you have available to you pre-snap was designed as part of the week's game plan. 

Each week, the OC & his staff will put together a gameplan consisting of a very small number (~40) of plays from the playbook, choosing plays that his team has executed well and fit what he's seen the opponent's defense do. For those plays, there will be built in audibles and checks. These are determined by opponent and change from week to week. Plays not in the gameplan are not practiced during the week and generally considered off limits as coaches don't want to overload their players. 

So when Cam goes to the line and changes the play to a bubble screen to Funchess, that audible was something that the OC built into the original call to take advantage of a specific defensive look he saw on film. Cam is following Shula's instructions.

I'm not sure if we do this, but some teams will go as far as giving the QB three plays every-time they line up and the QB will choose the right play to run based on the defensive look. Once again, all this is designed by the OC ahead of time.

TL;DR: QB's aren't out there fixing OC's mistakes when they audible, they are doing exactly what the OC is telling them to do.

 

ok shula

[davos]

This is not a bad thread but some of the responses in here are just weird.  

That being said, I still don't think Shula is the guy to pair with Cam to bring a franchise a Lombardi.  Hopefully they prove me wrong this year.  

[DamnItJake!]

On 11/14/2017 at 2:08 PM, SixMileDrive said:

There's something that's about the Panther's fanbase that's been been bothering me for a while now. There's a narrative that Shula will call a play then Cam will get to the line and audible out of Shula's shitty call into something he wants to run. Cam is apparently fixing all of Shula's mistakes.

Problem is....that's not how audibles work in the NFL. At all.

As a NFL QB, unless you are PFM or TB12, almost every option you have available to you pre-snap was designed as part of the week's game plan. 

Each week, the OC & his staff will put together a gameplan consisting of a very small number (~40) of plays from the playbook, choosing plays that his team has executed well and fit what he's seen the opponent's defense do. For those plays, there will be built in audibles and checks. These are determined by opponent and change from week to week. Plays not in the gameplan are not practiced during the week and generally considered off limits as coaches don't want to overload their players. 

So when Cam goes to the line and changes the play to a bubble screen to Funchess, that audible was something that the OC built into the original call to take advantage of a specific defensive look he saw on film. Cam is following Shula's instructions.

I'm not sure if we do this, but some teams will go as far as giving the QB three plays every-time they line up and the QB will choose the right play to run based on the defensive look. Once again, all this is designed by the OC ahead of time.

TL;DR: QB's aren't out there fixing OC's mistakes when they audible, they are doing exactly what the OC is telling them to do.

 

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[firefox1234]

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