Hurney on WFNZ

[*FreeFua*]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No joke though, Hurney's track record of acquiring WRs is atrocious.

Yep realizing we need an upgrade at WR is just a small fraction of the battle with this organzation

Now Hurney must identify that upgrade...

Scary

[chknwing]

Carolina needs to sign top tier free agents for WR, CB, and DE.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yep realizing we need an upgrade at WR is just a small fraction of the battle with this organzation

Now Hurney must identify that upgrade...

Scary

And we also have to assume we have good options available in the draft. Very possible the best WR's go before we pick. Free agent options are touchy. I don't want to break the bank on a half-assed, dumpster dived option(Matt Kalil, for instance). Getting someone the caliber of a Ted Ginn wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, chknwing said:

Carolina needs to sign top tier free agents for WR, CB, and DE.

That's a good way to end up in Cap Hell Part Deux.

[Trill OG]

FA WR's speed and athletic Terelle Pryor is the only WR who fits the ball who we realistically can sign.

[Ship]

We don't have "time" to waste another 1st or 2nd on a WR. We've drafted a WR in the 1st or 2nd in 2014, 2015, and 2017. Regardless of the outcome of those picks, proper drafting requires that you stay on "schedule" with filling talent into different positions that come up needing new talent. If you start to dither on one or two positions, that is where you find the team falling apart. It's why despite Gettleman being a quality talent evaluator, we have many holes. He spent a lot of time on a few positions while he was here. DT and WR were the worst offenders.

Despite wanting value, we have to add more of a draft factor to positions that need to be filled.

Maybe we need a WR, but we shouldn't be obtaining one with our top two picks this year. Either get a youngish guy in FA who has some production or wait til round 3 or later.

This team needs to draft a Safety. We should have done it 3 years ago. 

We're about to need a new DT and a new LB despite having just spent time on those picks. The wheel never stops and if we waste time trying to strike gold at every position in the top of the draft, we'll be thrown off into nothing.

The only position a team should waste top picks on until they get it right is QB. And even then, you're risking finally getting a guy and bringing him to a team without any infrastructure. 

Players just don't last and we have to let Funch and Samuel spread their wings for another year or two before we should consider getting a new WR in the top 2 rounds. FA is one thing, but draft needs to be spent on getting talent to grow in places where it is getting old or is vacated. 

[*FreeFua*]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

And we also have to assume we have good options available in the draft. Very possible the best WR's go before we pick. Free agent options are touchy. I don't want to break the bank on a half-assed, dumpster dived option(Matt Kalil, for instance). Getting someone the caliber of a Ted Ginn wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

I mentioned it earlier but DeSean Jackson (only a one year contract now) and Jameis Winston could never get in sync this season. I’d call Tampa and ask about DJax in a trade. He’s a better version of Ted Ginn and can run the routes Shula wanted Ginn to run but couldn’t. 

Calvin Ridley can do it all but like you said a guy like Ridley isn’t going to be there for us at 24. If we can’t afford to pay some of the top WR guys then trading up for a cost controlled Ridley would be something worth exploring.

Itll be interesting to see what guys like Donte Moncrief and Paul Richardson end up fetching in the FA market. 

[Toker Smurf]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

"We Need more speed and athleticism on both sides of the ball, especially at the skill positions"

But but but...... big men let you compete 

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's a good way to end up in Cap Hell Part Deux.

And here's where I'm concerned.

Marty was never afraid to spend right up to the last penny of the salary cap, and with no real concern about what he might do to future years cap numbers.

With nothing guaranteed beyond next year (if that) Marty might look at the coming offseason as either his audition for the next owner or his last shot at glory.

Either of those scenarios could lead to him going all out on a spending spree and crippling us cap-wise for years to come.

History has shown us that sprees like that don't guarantee a Super Bowl (ask the Giants) so it could all be for nothing.

That's my nightmare scenario for next year.

 

[pantherphan96]

speed and athleticism is nice but they need to be good at making reads and doing the little things like finishing plays. key example being Shaq this year.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Ship said:

We don't have "time" to waste another 1st or 2nd on a WR. We've drafted a WR in the 1st or 2nd in 2014, 2015, and 2017. Regardless of the outcome of those picks, proper drafting requires that you stay on "schedule" with filling talent into different positions that come up needing new talent. If you start to dither on one or two positions, that is where you find the team falling apart. It's why despite Gettleman being a quality talent evaluator, we have many holes. He spent a lot of time on a few positions while he was here. DT and WR were the worst offenders.

Despite wanting value, we have to add more of a draft factor to positions that need to be filled.

Maybe we need a WR, but we shouldn't be obtaining one with our top two picks this year. Either get a youngish guy in FA who has some production or wait til round 3 or later.

This team needs to draft a Safety. We should have done it 3 years ago. 

We're about to need a new DT and a new LB despite having just spent time on those picks. The wheel never stops and if we waste time trying to strike gold at every position in the top of the draft, we'll be thrown off into nothing.

The only position a team should waste top picks on until they get it right is QB. And even then, you're risking finally getting a guy and bringing him to a team without any infrastructure. 

Players just don't last and we have to let Funch and Samuel spread their wings for another year or two before we should consider getting a new WR in the top 2 rounds. FA is one thing, but draft needs to be spent on getting talent to grow in places where it is getting old or is vacated. 

I am not sure how you can say it is a "waste" to get a WR in the first two rounds. If we are able to get a guy who can contribute immediately at that position, it certainly wouldn't be a waste. It's just going to depend on what is available when we are making our selections.

I agree that we certainly don't have the luxury of being able to throw away picks to try and get a guy. We have too many obvious holes for any whiffs with our top 2-3 round picks.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And here's where I'm concerned.

Marty was never afraid to spend right up to the last penny of the salary cap, and with no real concern about what he might do to future years cap numbers.

With nothing guaranteed beyond next year (if that) Marty might look at the coming offseason as either his audition for the next owner or his last shot at glory.

Either of those scenarios could lead to him going all out on a spending spree and crippling us cap-wise for years to come.

History has shown us that sprees like that don't guarantee a Super Bowl (ask the Giants) so it could all be for nothing.

That's my nightmare scenario for next year.

 

I think a lot will be determined by how our offseason negotiations go with our own free agents. That is going to give us a sneak peak at how Marty is going to operate. We all want guys like Norwell and Star back but I am curious to know what those deals will look like. Hopefully a little more Gettleman like than previous Hurney contracts.

[ncfan]

10 minutes ago, Cam El said:

But but but...... big men let you compete 

In certain aspects.

You need big men to compete. As he noted you need someone to compliment Funch (big men)

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't disagree. But, I hope we're not thinking about standing pat at DE. We need some youth in that unit.

We have Daeshon Hall and the other guy whose dad played, but his name escapes me.  Sure if someone falls to us,  then by all means, but it's not really critical.