Putting Cam under center in the Air Croyell will be the greatest blunder in the history of coaching hires.

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Teach_Panther said:

They'll keep arguing even though anybody with a brain can see that Cam is clearly a much better out of the shotgun and especially with hurry up offense.

2011 was literally his introduction to playing under C

If he is clearly much better in the shotgun....how come 2012-2017 don't say that?   Cam's QB rating is generally the best under C.

you can use that site he referenced for the proof

[Fox007]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

That was literally Cam's introduction to playing under C. 

In his sophomore year, his best numbers were under C.....not shotgun. 

wrecked

[Teach_Panther]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not trying to be funny,  but could the quality of LTs be the tie that binds? 

No. Cam is amazing athlete, but there quite a number of QB's better at escaping pressure off LT.  The reason being is they get their head around faster and have quicker feet.  Aaron Rodgers regularly gets pressured off his LT and steps up in the middle or roles to his right. It is mere physics. Once Cam gets going he is unstoppable force, but he is not quick out of the gate. Think Secretariat vs Seabiscuit.  Russel Wilson regularly puts unblocked pass rushers in a spin cycle. Wilson has way quicker feet.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Adb6368 said:

Teddy Bridgewater is 6'3, 215 lbs, and ran a 4.79 40 yd dash

Cam Newton is 6'5, 250 lbs, and ran a 4.59 40 yd dash

They ARE NOT the same qb. Stop trying to compare teddy bridgewater to cam newton. Teddy may be a touch more accurate than cam but other than that cam is far and away a better qb. Stop trying to say Norv's offense won't work because he didn't use Teddy Bridgewater right. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Bridgewater isn't even good enough to hold Cam's shoes. Cam is on the level of Brees and Brady. All three have been MVPs as well. Bridgewater well...

[CarolinaSock]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

That was literally Cam's introduction to playing under C. 

In his sophomore year, his best numbers were under C.....not shotgun. 

I wasn't making an argument, simply pointing out Cam spent far more time in shotgun than under center his rookie year and had the most success from shotgun that year. Nobody was discussing his sophomore numbers. Oddly his under center snaps have plummeted since 2013. I wonder who or what is the driving factor behind that.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

I wasn't making an argument, simply pointing out Cam spent far more time in shotgun than under center his rookie year and had the most success from shotgun that year. Nobody was discussing his sophomore numbers. Oddly his under center snaps have plummeted since 2013. I wonder who or what is the driving factor behind that.

well he played all of college in the shotgun.   So it would make sense to keep him where he is comfortable as a rookie. 

but overall, in his career.....his best passing production has come with him under center, not shotgun.  But it isn't apples to apples as he does lean attempts heavy in shotgun.   Part of that IMO, is the Panthers have gone so cheap at OT it gives him to biggest chance to survive plays in shotgun.  He can survive a whiff by a OT in shotgun better than from under C now that he is older/better. 

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

well he played all of college in the shotgun.   So it would make sense to keep him where he is comfortable as a rookie. 

but overall, in his career.....his best passing production has come with him under center, not shotgun.  But it isn't apples to apples as he does lean attempts heavy in shotgun.   Part of that IMO, is the Panthers have gone so cheap at OT it gives him to biggest chance to survive plays in shotgun.  He can survive a whiff by a OT in shotgun better than from under C now that he is older/better. 

roll em out to the right

We've done it more with Anderson than Cam some how.

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, Teach_Panther said:

Just gonna go ahead and say it.  Cam already struggles with throwing off his back foot in the shotgun.  I've said all along Cam's issue has never been accuracy. That has never been THE problem -- the issue is getting that big body of his in a position to make the throw. Norv put Bridgewater in this system and he was expected to be a dual-threat QB a lot like Cam, and Teddy ended up getting pressured more than any QB in the league on said plays. Basically, it took away his greatest strength and forced him to play in a system he had never played at the same time.

 

Bridgewater was never expected to be a dual threat quarterback in the NFL.

[heel31ok]

36 minutes ago, Snake said:

Bridgewater isn't even good enough to hold Cam's shoes. Cam is on the level of Brees and Brady. All three have been MVPs as well. Bridgewater well...

I like Bridgewater for what he is...  WCO

[sharkkiller]

Why can't people understand a couple of simple things.

 

1) Chud ran the same Air Coryell offense that Norv runs. CAm flourished under this offense his first year. 2nd year Chud got too cute and relied on the Zone read too much.

2)Shula adapted CHud's offense, but the principles are the same. Cam had 1 great year with this offense. The problem with Shula was not play design, it was play calling. He was late getting the plays in, and was horrible at choosing the right play calls in the red zone, for example.

3)Norv Turner would not be bringing a completely new offensive strategy. The read option would stay in effect, as it is very effective when used correctly. He would simply be tweaking what is in place, and using his years of experience to do it more efficiently and hopefully making better situational play calls.

4) Also expect more no huddle offense with Norv in place. 

Not sure why people are freaking out about this hire, if it even happens. The transition would be smooth, and the benefits would be tremendous. But people have to have something to bitch about, I guess.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, sharkkiller said:

Why can't people understand a couple of simple things.

 

1) Chud ran the same Air Coryell offense that Norv runs. CAm flourished under this offense his first year. 2nd year Chud got too cute and relied on the Zone read too much.

2)Shula adapted CHud's offense, but the principles are the same. Cam had 1 great year with this offense. The problem with Shula was not play design, it was play calling. He was late getting the plays in, and was horrible at choosing the right play calls in the red zone, for example.

3)Norv Turner would not be bringing a completely new offensive strategy. The read option would stay in effect, as it is very effective when used correctly. He would simply be tweaking what is in place, and using his years of experience to do it more efficiently and hopefully making better situational play calls.

4) Also expect more no huddle offense with Norv in place. 

Not sure why people are freaking out about this hire, if it even happens. The transition would be smooth, and the benefits would be tremendous. But people have to have something to bitch about, I guess.

Number 3 I'm not so sure about.  I think it will become extinct if Norv takes over.  You will not see it often, if ever.

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, Smithers said:

Exactly.  Cam is an athletic QB who plays better on the move.  The motion of the drop back in and by itself seems to help him tremendously.  Shula was just too stupid to see it.  

absolutely...it's not a knock on Cam as some see it...

[sharkkiller]

20 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Number 3 I'm not so sure about.  I think it will become extinct if Norv takes over.  You will not see it often, if ever.

I completely disagree. Removing it as a threat would be a very bad thing. But it should be used on short yardage plays mostly. Norv is a very smart offensive coach, and would not remove something that works just because it is not part of his playbook. At least that is my opinion.

 

And why would someone poo on my post? At least have a response if you disagree. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, sharkkiller said:

I completely disagree. Removing it as a threat would be a very bad thing. But it should be used on short yardage plays mostly. Norv is a very smart offensive coach, and would not remove something that works just because it is not part of his playbook. At least that is my opinion.

It's not working.  It loses more yards than it gains.  It's time to retire it.  Now Norv may use it as a "trick" play if the situation arises, but as a staple of the offense?  No.  And I'm fine with that.