No prospect screams "WR1" to me after cursory glance

[WOW!!]

55 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You keep saying that,  but it's not quite accurate.  We've scraped the bottom of the barrel as it pertains to several positions,  including WR.  Bargain shopping doesn't have to consist of waiting until after the racks, shelves and bins have been mercilessly picked over. The best bargain shoppers know when to strike.  That's  rarely on day one,  but not necessarily on the last days either. If you think that Moncrief, Lee, Pryor, or Wallace for example are dumpster dives,  then you're crazy.  After Miami pays Landry, the Jags pay Robinson,  and the Rams pay Watkins,  your whole tune is going to change.  It will. 

No this is what I think..

Pryor sucks and 1 year from being 30.  He also outpriced himself from 1 team with unlimited cap space in of a WR..(hmmmm) And had a chance to be a number 1 with a solid QB and fail horribly..  I will never want him. 

Moncreif is still young and that's intriguing.. But again that would be a I hope he is good signing.. If paired with another signing okay.. If he is the only signing for the position .. I will rage. 

Wallace older vet who could be Ginn replacement is intriguing for that alone.. If they just sign him and act like they fixed anything i will be pissed.. Sign him with another player like Moncreif or Matthews okay..

So let's make a bet if I change my tune??

[heel31ok]

4 hours ago, JARROD said:

Again, I have no want for Landry, would have to come with us signing a legit deep threat. Landry would just be a Bersin upgrade for me—

i was just saying I like guys that are clutch more than flashy.

Lol...thats beyond ridiculous

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, WOW!! said:

No this is what I think..

Pryor sucks and 1 year from being 30.  He also outpriced himself from 1 team with unlimited cap space in of a WR..(hmmmm) And had a chance to be a number 1 with a solid QB and fail horribly..  I will never want him. 

Moncreif is still young and that's intriguing.. But again that would be a I hope he is good signing.. If paired with another signing okay.. If he is the only signing for the position .. I will rage. 

Wallace older vet who could be Ginn replacement is intriguing for that alone.. If they just sign him and act like they fixed anything i will be pissed.. Sign him with another player like Moncreif or Matthews okay..

So let's make a bet if I change my tune??

Every receiver can't go everywhere. And there is a real chance that Landry,  Robinson and Watkins stay where they are.  If that happens, then you have to start looking at whoever is left.  If you think that Richardson, or John Brown or Matthews is a better option than Pryor,  that is your prerogative. I don't,  but I can see how you could have that opinion. But in my opinion,  you should easily see why others would believe the opposite, especially when you start looking at numbers,  situations,  take systems/fit into account or even just dumb luck.  You keep saying 29 like it's some horrible thing. Pryor is not an RB,  and by all accounts he takes his craft seriously and all that comes with it. Moreover,  with this injury-plagued group of FA WRs,  at least Pryor stays healthy. Dude has several prime years of football left.  So,  once all your dreams are gone,  you have a choice.  Rely on the draft,  or take a flier on some of the guys with upside who,  for whatever reason,  have a little more question marks than the others (realizing that even the top guys have underachieved as well), and hope that a change of scenery will work out for the team and the player. Personally,  I'd rather go into the season with ex-thousand yard receiver receiver than Funchess and a bunch of raw rookies, but that's me. 

If we somehow end up with Pryor, Landry or whoever,  I think that it would be pretty dumb to cry about it. If someone can be productive, they can be productive.  If someone can take it to the house on any given play, that's  a good thing.  

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Every receiver can't go everywhere. And there is a real chance that Landry,  Robinson and Watkins stay where they are.  If that happens, then you have to start looking at whoever is left.  If you think that Richardson, or John Brown or Matthews is a better option than Pryor,  that is your prerogative. I don't,  but I can see how you could have that opinion. But in my opinion,  you should easily see why others would believe the opposite, especially when you start looking at numbers,  situations,  take systems/fit into account or even just dumb luck.  You keep saying 29 like it's some horrible thing. Pryor is not an RB,  and by all accounts he takes his craft seriously and all that comes with it. Moreover,  with this injury-plagued group of FA WRs,  at least Pryor stays healthy. Dude has several prime years of football left.  So,  once all your dreams are gone,  you have a choice.  Rely on the draft,  or take a flier on some of the guys with upside who,  for whatever reason,  have a little more question marks than the others (realizing that even the top guys have underachieved as well), and hope that a change of scenery will work out for the team and the player. Personally,  I'd rather go into the season with ex-thousand yard receiver receiver than Funchess and a bunch of raw rookies, but that's me. 

If we somehow end up with Pryor, Landry or whoever,  I think that it would be pretty dumb to cry about it. If someone can be productive, they can be productive.  If someone can take it to the house on any given play, that's  a good thing.  

 

Absolutely agree.  WR can go into their late 30s before a major drop off.   Also being a QB for his first 3 years in the league and convert to WR. He had 1007 yds in 2016 (2nd year as a receiver) To change for Pro QB to Pro WR and get 1000 yds receiving in only his 2nd year of being a WR is pretty special.  Not many can do it.  Ask Joe Webb.  

What does Turner want?  Big fast receivers = question answered 6'4" 4.38 - 40 yd dash.  This offense almost screams for Pryor.  Whether you personally like him or not.  His tools fit what Turner wants.  We probably get him at a good price and he fits the bill.

As long as he isn't screaming big money.  Terrelle Pryor "Come on Down"

Would love also to see Gordon.

[Jon Snow]

You guys are hilarious arguing over these wr's.  None of these guys you are arguing over will be signed by the Panthers.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Absolutely agree.  WR can go into their late 30s before a major drop off.   Also being a QB for his first 3 years in the league and convert to WR. He had 1007 yds in 2016 (2nd year as a receiver) To change for Pro QB to Pro WR and get 1000 yds receiving in only his 2nd year of being a WR is pretty special.  Not many can do it.  Ask Joe Webb.  

What does Turner want?  Big fast receivers = question answered 6'4" 4.38 - 40 yd dash.  This offense almost screams for Pryor.  Whether you personally like him or not.  His tools fit what Turner wants.  We probably get him at a good price and he fits the bill.

As long as he isn't screaming big money.  Terrelle Pryor "Come on Down"

Would love also to see Gordon.

I would literally have a celebratory dinner if we landed this duo.  Provided that Gordon would stay out of trouble, man we'd be looking awesome.  

Gordon, Funchess,  Pryor,  Samuel and Byrd in the wings...enter Olsen and a pass-catching RB like CMC...and top it all off with Cam,  and that keeps defensive coordinators up at all times of night and day. 

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You guys are hilarious arguing over these wr's.  None of these guys you are arguing over will be signed by the Panthers.

And Hurney will receive the ire of every one of us,  complete with curse-filled tirades, unsavory names, and belittling remarks.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, top dawg said:

And Hurney will receive the ire of everyone of us,  complete with curse-filled tirades, unsavory names, and belittling remarks.

Meh, if aren't doing it already you must not remember Hurney very well.  No good can come from his return, none what so ever.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Meh, if aren't doing it already you must not remember Hurney very well.  No good can come from his return, none what so ever.

I was going right along  with that narrative until someone pointed out to me the quality free agents that Hurney has signed in the past.  And I don't remember any breaking the bank.  And he did trade for Greg Olsen at a bargain. 

Sure, his drafts weren't great,  especially the latter ones,  and his re-up contracts and evaluation on that front were, well, kinda shitty to very shitty,  but he did an OK job identifying needs and addressing them in free agency. 

[AceMan]

I'm intrigued by John Brown, WR from the Cardinals....he seemed to come on strong his sophomore season before injuries took a toll on him.  But more importantly, we need a strong possession WR with reliable hands.

 

WR1: Funchess

WR2: Brown/Possession WR

WR3: Possession WR/Brown

WR4: Byrd

WR5: Samuel

[bewonee]

What is your take on Jaleel Scott, the 6'6 215 pound beast out of New Mexico State? 3-5 round proj, has #1 potential. Runs a 4.5, so Juju Smith speed. I like him and he knows how to use his size to his advantage.

[Jon Snow]

19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I was going right along  with that narrative until someone pointed out to me the quality free agents that Hurney has signed in the past.  And I don't remember any breaking the bank.  And he did trade for Greg Olsen at a bargain. 

Sure, his drafts weren't great,  especially the latter ones,  and his re-up contracts and evaluation on that front were, well, kinda shitty to very shitty,  but he did an OK job identifying needs and addressing them in free agency. 

Keep polishing that turd, it will be a diamond some day.

[Cpt slay a ho]

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

Goodwin is the kind of receiver that you take if you can't find anyone else, and that's exactly what Frisco did. He has had ample opportunity to step it up in a big way, but never quite hits the mark.  He shouldn't be starting unless something has gone terribly wrong. 

DG was not a high risk-reward guy,  so you made me laugh. DG was a cheapskate. He never ever brought in a receiver with true leading-receiver upside (not even Ginn). 

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For all you guys talking down about Moncrief, Pryor or Lee,  you keep that same tune when the "top" guys are signed,  otherwise I'm going to razz you a little bit. 

My thing is,  that this year based upon what I've seen, you might well wish you have them come draft time. 

This is Goodwin first year actually getting an opportunity, he was buried behind Watkins and woods in Buffalo. I disagree I think he’s could be a nice #2-3 guy, better version of ginn. As for dg that’s what I was referring to, those cheap signings were high risk high reward, hoping a player out performs there contract value. I’m eager to see, ive been on the Lee train since the 2014 draft, but I’ll eat crow if Pryor or Moncrief show up next year

[top dawg]

24 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

This is Goodwin first year actually getting an opportunity, he was buried behind Watkins and woods in Buffalo. I disagree I think he’s could be a nice #2-3 guy, better version of ginn. As for dg that’s what I was referring to, those cheap signings were high risk high reward, hoping a player out performs there contract value. I’m eager to see, ive been on the Lee train since the 2014 draft, but I’ll eat crow if Pryor or Moncrief show up next year

Watkins was  continually hurt in Buffalo,  so much so that Goodwin got plenty of opportunity, kind of like Shepard when the Bucs receivers went down.  We already have our version of Marquise Goodwin in Byrd, and perhaps another on the PS in Duke.  Goodwin is smallish with signature speed.  He's also not without his own injury history which may be a major reason he didn't stick with the Bills. I just don't really see what he'd have to offer to us,  but mere competition in camp.