Giants hire Mike Shula as OC

[SmokinwithWilly]

Did GMan have some control over Shula being hired as OC with the Giants, probably. Anyone who has let someone else hire the people that work under them directly know that there's really only so much input you have. About the only thing you really get to do is say, absolutely no way are you hiring based on this reason, usually drug/criminal. One thing I've learned is you can't force chemistry. If for whatever reason Shula and Shurmur have working chemistry, then you kind of have to let it be. About all that I can really see Gman telling Shurmur is that if this repeats like it did here, then either Shurmur can fire him, and quickly, or can pack his own box as well. 

[bewonee]

2 minutes ago, Marcogreenbush said:

Not really . His plays were too complex 

You think? The creative ones weren't too complex and I doubt Shurmur will run it if  he doesnt like it anyway.

[CarolinaSamurai]

4 minutes ago, Marcogreenbush said:

Not really . His plays were too complex 

They just required perfect execution from everyone and teams never have a roster full of perfect players. You have to be extreamly lucky and your QB has to be unstoppable. Like us in 2015. Yet it got shut down bc Shula couldn't change anything to win. 

[Burnout189]

4 minutes ago, bewonee said:

Shula was good at designing plays. Shumur will be calling them. This is actually kinda good when look at it for a second.

You clearly don't remember all of the plays where the receivers routes turned into one giant cluster fug in the same area.

[Johnny Rockets]

Only place I have ever really heard Shula's play design questioned has been here on the Huddle. Outside of that, it has largely been praised whenever I've heard it discussed. Now the actually play calling might have come into question, but not his ability to design plays as they are widely considered some of the most creative in the league. 

Of course when you pigeon hole yourself and the only thing you ever read is "Shula sucks", and  comments about "crayons", and "checkers vs chess" eventually that's what you believe because that's all you care to know. 

[Mr. Scot]

 

19 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

could be

it could also be possible that they really only want him to be a QB coach and the OC is just a title for the benefit of his resume. or he is going to help with getting the players to learn and run pat’s offense on the field. either scenario would justify being named an OC in a team where the HC has an offensive background.

That's probably pretty close to reality. I guess we'll see.

My take: Shurmur might have wanted Shula as QB coach, but we know from a recent story that Shula wanted to be an OC. Since they lost out on the OC they wanted, Shurmur may have gone to Shula with an offer to give him an OC title even if his job primarily involved QB coach duties.

All speculation, of course...

[The Natural]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You know what's even funnier.

People who aren't smart enough to get what's actually happening.

You can talk down to people and be as condescending as you want but there's no way you can spin this into a positive. 

[The Natural]

10 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I have never seen a "GM" worshiped to this point.. He is not even affiliated with the team and still gets God like treatment..

 It really is weird as hell.

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, The Natural said:

You can talk down to people and be as condescending as you want but there's no way you can spin this into a positive. 

Man f Scot.. He is a hypocrite of the highest order.. He made this place unbearably when his boy got fired.. And was a Debbie Downer all season.. Some ppl want to act like he is some great poster and panther fan.. But when Gman was fired he had the biggest hissy fit ever and pretty much quit on the team. So f scot..

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, The Natural said:

You can talk down to people and be as condescending as you want but there's no way you can spin this into a positive. 

Well, given that you're not following any of what's actually happening, I'm left with the conclusion that either you're ignoring it or you're not terribly bright.

You tell me which it is.

There's actual intelligent conversation going on in this thread. You're not taking part in any of it of course.

[Johnny Rockets]

5 minutes ago, Burnout189 said:

You clearly don't remember all of the plays where the receivers routes turned into one giant cluster fug in the same area.

Not sure how many games outside of the Panthers you watch but that happens every game, to every team. Some of that believe it or not is by design while some of it is receivers screwing up their routes. 

[Burnout189]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Not sure how many games outside of the Panthers you watch but that happens every game, to every team. Some of that believe it or not is by design while some of it is receivers screwing up their routes. 

I've watched a few at least, and I have to say it seemed to happen to the Panthers a lot more often than other teams.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Only place I have ever really heard Shula's play design questioned has been here on the Huddle. Outside of that, it has largely been praised whenever I've heard it discussed. Now the actually play calling might have come into question, but not his ability to design plays as they are widely considered some of the most creative in the league. 

Of course when you pigeon hole yourself and the only thing you ever read is "Shula sucks", and  comments about "crayons", and "checkers vs chess" eventually that's what you believe because that's all you care to know. 

Louis Riddick criticized his route design in a critique of either our last game of the season or the only playoff game (I forget which one).

Looks like the Giants are going to be following the Eagles example of having an offensive head coach call the plays while the coordinator serves primarily as a position coach. One difference being that the Giants will have the OC and QB coach consolidated into one person.

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Not sure how many games outside of the Panthers you watch but that happens every game, to every team. Some of that believe it or not is by design while some of it is receivers screwing up their routes. 

Wait wait.. There were many question about his route combination and his use of a deep route schemes when his Oline couldn't block for a 3 step drop let alone a 7 step drop.. Let's not play revisionist history.. Shula was question about play calling and passing scheme.. Now running scheme was his strength...