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Verge

By Verge,
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7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

 

Holy crap, you just spew stats without looking and you try to tell me that I just look at draft blogs. 

Lets center on your one comment that guards shouldn’t be paid because the Eagles and Pats have such low paid guards. I’m glad you didn’t actually look into the players.

Here’s some key tidbits:

Brandin Brooks was the highest paid RG when he signed his contract in the 2016 offseason. He’s the 11th highest paid RG now showing that teams value that position. Before you yell Jags, 6 of the 10 signed after Brooks have been in the playoffs with their teams.

Shaq Mason and Joe Thuney are on their rookie contracts and Shaq Mason is one of the best guards in the league and will likely beat Norwell’s deal. I’d bet without Solder the Pats will keep Mason.

So the Super Bowl had the highest paid guard at the point of his contract signing in 2016 and one of the other top guards in the league and only because two of the four are on rookie contracts are the overall salaries cheap. Brooks alone is 2/3rds of that entire contract value and he would be getting way more today. 

this was the predicted, formulaic response and I'm glad you marched it out as expected, really simplifies things for me, so thanks for playing along.

yes, you're right lol-absolutey so. The two best, well ran teams in the league are indeed marching out mid round picks and rookie contracts to start for them. This here is the point. And when it comes time for for them to get their big, meaty deals, I'm sure organizations like the browns and redskins will take no issue providing it to them. 

Here's hoping the panthers aren't one of those foolhardy teams.

Its the OG position. Your own post is an admission of why its regarded so poorly. Because there is always some Andrew norwell or shaq mason or "he's the best in the league right now, hes gonna cash in!!!" waiting to be had for you in the 4th round. There's always an OG, like there is always a RB, and like there is always a next great LB.

Let other teams have them and let their fans coo about how their guy is "the best in the league!!!" while they watch other teams win super bowls.

 

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55 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Damn, it’s hard to discuss if you are going to say last year’s TEs are irrelevant when I give you slotting and grading. Hurst is not graded as pick 24. He’s getting mocked there because he’s the top TE not because his grade is top 20-25. His grade is way lower than Ridley’s and Howard’s and Njoku’s. 

Draft class strength pushes higher grades players down because of the glut versus need and draft class weakness does the opposite creating more reaches due to need. I’m not sure why that doesn’t make sense. 2017 TEs show that in comparison to Hurst this year. 

Depth isn't necessarily the same as strength.  I totally get the idea that if a class is deep that good players might get picked lower.  My point is the term "strength" is often relative to what round you are referring to.  s

The WR class this year is probably considered weaker than last year but that is because there seemed to be better player in the first round last year.  The receivers in the 2nd and 3rd this year though are probably comparable to last year.  So if we draft a receiver at 85 this year there is a good chance his grade will be very similar to a receiver we could have drafted last year at 85.  Not sure why that doesn't make sense.

Concerning Hurst, which I'm not advocating drafting by the way, where exactly do you see him graded in relation to everyone else?  He seems to be in that 25-35 range from what I could tell, which puts him in the range of consideration.  

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On 4/24/2018 at 10:12 AM, Verge said:

Granted, if Moore and Ridley are off the board, and one of the top graded corners (Alexander, Hughes, Ward, Jackson), I could see them take that value over Hurst.

Your guy heard anymore news on who the Panthers are looking at most?

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A guard/center type seems likely atp.  Ragnow or Daniels would not surprise me at all.

That said, it appears Minkah Fitzpatrick may slid down the board a little and I think he's a future star.  Dude is awesome.  Somebody is gonna get a steal.

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3 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

How do you and your source feel about Moore in the offense? I feel like if we were to go wr it would be Ridley or Miller before Moore.

If Ridley is there, I would think it's him. He is still saying Lamar Jackson is going to go in the top 25, so if Mayock is right about Lamar Jackson, Ridley could fall to us.

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2 hours ago, Verge said:

Here is what he sent me last night.L07V2j.jpg

 

About 80 percent of huddle will rage and rightfully so. Ridley imo is the only one wr worth a 1st rounder. No one likes Hurst here in 1st round  except  about 2 people, also he is not a complete tight-end.

Wynn,Daniels,Evans and Hughes are all better options and that's just the ones on this board. It would be easier to take if they traded down in first with Philly to be honest.

How is Moore better than Mike Hughes, when Hughes shut him completely down forcing him to the slot to find some success? Also Hughes had a pick six directly off the drop of Moore that put the game away.

Panthers have enough of slot wr with McCaffrey, Samuel ,Byrd, Wright........

When are they gonna get someone competent on the outside?

 

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2 hours ago, BigSyke said:

 

About 80 percent of huddle will rage and rightfully so. Ridley imo is the only one wr worth a 1st rounder. No one likes Hurst here in 1st round  except  about 2 people, also he is not a complete tight-end.

Wynn,Daniels,Evans and Hughes are all better options and that's just the ones on this board. It would be easier to take if they traded down in first with Philly to be honest.

How is Moore better than Mike Hughes, when Hughes shut him completely down forcing him to the slot to find some success? Also Hughes had a pick six directly off the drop of Moore that put the game away.

Panthers have enough of slot wr with McCaffrey, Samuel ,Byrd, Wright........

When are they gonna get someone competent on the outside?

 

Because two people and scouts know more about football than you. Don't get where all of y'all heard he is not a good blocker. All I've heard and seen is he is a complete TE. I don't like Ridley or Moore, I would rather have Miller or Hamilton any day. I don't see a Rd 1 wr this year imo. Would be pissed if it was Ridley for sure because I don't think he is that good. Hughes has red flags and we will not touch him in the first. He will fall to somebody like the Bengals or Raiders.

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Just now, steven8989 said:

Because two people and scouts know more about football than you. Don't get where all of y'all heard he is not a good blocker. All I've heard and seen is he is a complete TE. I don't like Ridley or Moore, I would rather have Miller or Hamilton any day. I don't see a Rd 1 wr this year imo. Would be pissed if it was Ridley for sure because I don't think he is that good. Hughes has red flags and we will not touch him in the first. He will fall to somebody like the Bengals or Raiders.

 

I've not heard anything. I've saw. All the tight-ends in this draft suck at blocking. Goedert admitted in an interview that he doesn't even wanna block.LOL

Gronk is a complete elite tight end when it comes to blocking and catching for real.

Olsen blocks okay/avg if you wanna be all the way honest. He's more of a catcher. Just like Hayden Hurst.

You do not draft players in first round that are not complete or have holes in there game. That's for later rounds. which is why Hayden is a 2nd to 5th rounder, just like every other Tight-End in this draft. 

Panthers will fail again with this pick just like G-man failed with his stupid ass panic drafting of CB when non are on team anymore and Bradberry is up and down. 

Cam does not need a stand out WR/TE he needs a god damn standout O-LINE(and Offensive coach) like BRADY and PEYTON have every year. 

Cam is the standout on offense, without him this team would be  TEXANS all over again.lol

So again Hughes, Wynn, Daniels are all better picks. In first round and I'll enjoy saying I told ya so when the Panthers pick a stupid ass pick again. Another losing season in the inconsistent history of Panthers. Cam will probably leave and rightfully so.LOL

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