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20 minutes ago, stbugs said:

4-3 DE is weak this year. A DE in the first is a reach, not BPA. It’s as simple as that. Any of the guys we’d take would normally be 2nd or 3rd rounders. There are top interior OL, CB and S that would be bigger needs both this year and future. I have no interest in using an early pick on DE this year. 

The draft arguably being weak at the position doesn't mean that there are not good players available. Other positions being relatively strong is exactly what allows for a good player at a different position to be available later in the 1st round.

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19 minutes ago, stbugs said:

4-3 DE is weak this year. A DE in the first is a reach, not BPA. It’s as simple as that. Any of the guys we’d take would normally be 2nd or 3rd rounders. There are top interior OL, CB and S that would be bigger needs both this year and future. I have no interest in using an early pick on DE this year. 

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Chubb, Landry, Davenport, Key, Hubbard, and Green. Pretty deep 4-3 end class if you ask me.

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2 hours ago, stbugs said:

I still dont get the DE in the 1st love based on how our DL is more set this year than anything else. If we do we are passing up a much better player at a bigger need position. I get that Peppers is done after this year but Hall and Cox will have another year of experience and we can go DE nuts next year when the class looks better. We have the same need at C with Kalil and S with Adams and TE with Olsen and still have a current FS and LG hole. 

Because Peppers is only playing one more year, Mario is on the wrong side of 30 himself, Horton is just a rotational guy, and all the young guys are nothing but question marks with only Hall being actually drafted. I would only want a DE at #24 if we thought we were getting an absolute stud, but if you think you're getting an absolute stud DE at #24 you gotta make that pick.

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1 minute ago, Verge said:

In case you guys didn't gather already, the rest of the nfl is under the assumption Sam will go #1, and has been for quite a bit. 

Pretty obvious and getting more so every day.  They arent hiding it at this point.  Pretty sure Barkley makes 4 to the Browns.

Also Giants are not picking Nelson at 2.  I think that will be a QB as well or maybe Chubb.  Jets are definately going QB as well.

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6 minutes ago, Verge said:

In case you guys didn't gather already, the rest of the nfl is under the assumption Sam will go #1, and has been for quite a bit. 

I just don’t get it...Darnold doesn’t impress me in the slightest...none of these QBs would get me excited to draft...I think day 1, Rosen is the best...but his own teammates were rumored to not even like him at UCLA, so there’s that

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5 minutes ago, Reebis21 said:

I just don’t get it...Darnold doesn’t impress me in the slightest...none of these QBs would get me excited to draft...I think day 1, Rosen is the best...but his own teammates were rumored to not even like him at UCLA, so there’s that

Darnold is a really easy evaluation my dude, he is as sure fire as Wentz was. The throws he makes and decisions he is able to process is franchise qb levels. 

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1 minute ago, Verge said:

Darnold is a really easy evaluation my dude, he is as sure fire as Wentz was. The throws he makes and decisions he is able to process is franchise qb levels. 

Eh, imo that’s debatable. I’d have him as third best QB in this draft behind Rosen and Lamar Jackson tbh. Sam Darnold’s an early project but should project well in the future if he hammers down some issues he has.

Allen’s the one I don’t get. Poor pocket management, poor decision making. All he has is an arm. But being compared to someone like Cam Newton is probably the most hilarious and dumb comparison I’ve heard. 

I honestly think he’s a long shot even as a project. 

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Darnold is an absolute fumbling machine, but the guy definitely has talent. I think it would do him some good to sit for a year or two like Rodgers did. They've signed Tyrod Taylor so they do have a suitable stopgap. 

Lamar Jackson is not an NFL QB. Neither is Josh Allen. Those are the two QBs in this draft that are virtually guaranteed to be busts.

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3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Lamar Jackson is not an NFL QB. Neither is Josh Allen. Those are the two QBs in this draft that are virtually guaranteed to be busts.

You maybe right and i suppose the odds favour the prediction. But i remember plenty of people ripping Watson this time last year. Not a peep now. The truth is nobody knows absolutely. Funny thing about the draft is people can make as many rash declarations as they like. Nobody will call them out a year down the line simply because its not worth the effort. So with that in mind here is my ridiculous bold claim. Allen will be a dominant QB. I will gladly admit this error in judgement should i be called out on it 4 years from now.

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4 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

You maybe right and i suppose the odds favour the prediction. But i remember plenty of people ripping Watson this time last year. Not a peep now. The truth is nobody knows absolutely. Funny thing about the draft is people can make as many rash declarations as they like. Nobody will call them out a year down the line simply because its not worth the effort. So with that in mind here is my ridiculous bold claim. Allen will be a dominant QB. I will gladly admit this error in judgement should i be called out on it 4 years from now.

Watson completed over 67% of his passes in all three of his college seasons. Allen and Jackson never completed over 60% of their passes in a season. Allen completed 56% of his passes in both of his years starting. That's horrific. Accuracy figures almost never improve from college to NFL. You can pretty much draw a line at 60%. If a guy can't complete at least 60% of his passes in college then he can't play QB in the NFL.

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Watson completed over 67% of his passes in all three of his college seasons. Allen and Jackson never completed over 60% of their passes in a season. Allen completed 56% of his passes in both of his years starting. That's horrific. Accuracy figures almost never improve from college to NFL. You can pretty much draw a line at 60%. If a guy can't complete at least 60% of his passes in college then he can't play QB in the NFL.

Yeah i've seen this debate play out on the Bills forum. Apparently Brees is in the high 50's.

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