How would you rank D-lines?

[Ace_Aladdin]

32 minutes ago, stirs said:

I would take the opposite view.

Give Brees all day to pass and no secondary in history can be good enough

Yea I rather take Seahawks & Denver approach.

[Seoul_Panther]

13 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Why do you think we were snubbed? Peppers age? 

Where would you honestly rank Panthers D line?

  Yes I saw this article and it made me laugh. It seems clear to me that the criteria for ranking is high profile names and expectations rather than recent success. Consider on this list:

 Buccaneers, Broncos, Texans who had terrible D last year albeit with injuries for the latter two.

 Chargers: didn’t make the playoffs.

 I know it’s a projection but here’s the key, I believe this is how the writer hopes it turns out.

 Raiders and Packers? Now you’re just having a laugh? They are among the weakest lines.

 1: We were snubbed because it is the opinion of one staff writer who believes his own hype.

2: I have us about #5 on that list.

[shaqattaq]

12 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Why do you think we were snubbed? Peppers age? 

Where would you honestly rank Panthers D line?

I would love to see the breakdown. I think we very likely have the best DT group out there. A couple of pro-bowlers in KK and Poe, and solid back ups in Butler and Love. DE, however, is not nearly as solid. Addison is a legit pass rusher, but still needs work at run D. Horton is OK, not great. Pepp is great, but 38 years old. Haynes and Hall are rookies. I'm not overly concerned about DE, but it doesn't look great on paper.

I think that if we stay healthy (knock on wood) we end up top 5. Pepp and Mario are QB attacking machines, and I have high hopes for Hall. He's had good reports coming out of OTA's. Our DT's are fuggin awesome, and will make it easier for the guys on the edge.

[TheCasillas]

13 hours ago, Nails said:

Gregory McKarl Hardy is also gone but still 8.5 years younger than Pep and available.

Your fascination with GH is far worse than any homerism. Matter of fact, your fascination with GH is definitely psychotic worthy.

 

 

[shaqattaq]

12 hours ago, Pimpdaddy said:

LOL bucs 8th...seriously? the one and only thing Foxy ever had right are stats are for losers...

"Key players: Gerald McCoy, Jason Pierre-Paul, Vinny Curry, Vita Vea, Noah Spence, William Gholston, Beau Allen, Mitch Unrein.

Can you build a top-shelf defensive line in one offseason? The Giants essentially did in 2016, and Bucs general manager Jason Licht might have pulled it off this year, starting with the acquisition of former Giant Jason Pierre-Paul during March's trade tsunami.

In JPP and Vinny Curry, the Buccaneers picked up two proven pass rushers at the tail end of their primes. They are "win now" pickups from an organization that could be torn apart if the Bucs don't actually win now. That's usually cause for concern, but acquiring two productive starters at an organizational sore spot for under $20 million combined in 2018 cap space looks like great value.

It's not all on Pierre-Paul and Curry. Licht did his best Howie Roseman impression by building a line that is two deep at every position, including first-round run stuffer Vita Vea and former Eagles backup Beau Allen. Defensive tackle Gerald McCoy remains at the center of it all, the equivalent of a straight-A student for his entire career, too often stuck on a group project with a bunch of dummies."

 

I don't know, they sure look good on paper. If our young guys work out we're better, but who knows how Haynes and Hall will perform come Sunday?

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

"Key players: Gerald McCoy, Jason Pierre-Paul, Vinny Curry, Vita Vea, Noah Spence, William Gholston, Beau Allen, Mitch Unrein.

Can you build a top-shelf defensive line in one offseason? The Giants essentially did in 2016, and Bucs general manager Jason Licht might have pulled it off this year, starting with the acquisition of former Giant Jason Pierre-Paul during March's trade tsunami.

In JPP and Vinny Curry, the Buccaneers picked up two proven pass rushers at the tail end of their primes. They are "win now" pickups from an organization that could be torn apart if the Bucs don't actually win now. That's usually cause for concern, but acquiring two productive starters at an organizational sore spot for under $20 million combined in 2018 cap space looks like great value.

It's not all on Pierre-Paul and Curry. Licht did his best Howie Roseman impression by building a line that is two deep at every position, including first-round run stuffer Vita Vea and former Eagles backup Beau Allen. Defensive tackle Gerald McCoy remains at the center of it all, the equivalent of a straight-A student for his entire career, too often stuck on a group project with a bunch of dummies."

 

I don't know, they sure look good on paper. If our young guys work out we're better, but who knows how Haynes and Hall will perform come Sunday?

  I could easily argue our case against TB. 

KK/MCCOY- wash

Poe/ Vea- slight edge to Poe simply because we know he can play at this level. 

 Now, those two “proven” pass rushers only had 12 sacks combined last year. Addison and Pep had 11 each. Plus Horton had 5.5 in only 36% of the snaps. JPP played 3x as many snaps and only had 8.5. And Horton was our best edge setter. Add in the addition by subtraction of getting rid of CJ is big. Also, Star regressed badly over the last two years. Poe is a major upgrade at this point of their careers. 

 Where is their advantages? 

[Nails]

35 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

  Yes I saw this article and it made me laugh. It seems clear to me that the criteria for ranking is high profile names and expectations rather than recent success. Consider on this list:

 Buccaneers, Broncos, Texans who had terrible D last year albeit with injuries for the latter two.

 Chargers: didn’t make the playoffs.

 I know it’s a projection but here’s the key, I believe this is how the writer hopes it turns out.

 Raiders and Packers? Now you’re just having a laugh? They are among the weakest lines.

 1: We were snubbed because it is the opinion of one staff writer who believes his own hype.

2: I have us about #5 on that list.

The Bucs took Vita Vea and the Broncos took Bradley Chubb, in addition to what they have.  The Texans even got Ejiofor who many wanted here.

[Nails]

27 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  I could easily argue our case against TB. 

KK/MCCOY- wash

Poe/ Vea- slight edge to Poe simply because we know he can play at this level. 

 Now, those two “proven” pass rushers only had 12 sacks combined last year. Addison and Pep had 11 each. Plus Horton had 5.5 in only 36% of the snaps. JPP played 3x as many snaps and only had 8.5. And Horton was our best edge setter. Add in the addition by subtraction of getting rid of CJ is big. Also, Star regressed badly over the last two years. Poe is a major upgrade at this point of their careers. 

 Where is their advantages? 

Spence missed most of last year due to injury, don’t forget about him.

[DaveThePanther2008]

One name that should explain everything.

Gregg Rosenthal

End of Story

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Nails said:

Spence missed most of last year due to injury, don’t forget about him.

So did Hall? And Butler was hurt for majority of season. And Spence coming off injury hasn’t proven much more than Hall. 

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, stirs said:

If they had been polling interior DLines, then we would be in the top 5, but our DE's are woefully weak.

"But we had sacks".  Yes, and we blitzed over and over and over to try to cover up for our front 4's inability to do anything on their own.

Guess what.  They picked up a few sacks when we sent a LB and S, but our secondary was continually exposed.  Brees and several others took full advantage.

Peppers can be handled by one guy now, no use to double team him anymore. Past is past

The problem with these assessments is that one segment of a team doesn't play by itself.  A great secondary can make a average dline look better than it is, while a bad one can make a good dline look worse than it really is.  

I think we blitzed a lot because our coach liked to blitz a lot, and perhaps to cover up for a weak secondary.  Our dline play was solid I think, better than I thought it would be.  Whether we deserve mention in the top 10 is hard to say.  

[Nails]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So did Hall? And Butler was hurt for majority of season. And Spence coming off injury hasn’t proven much more than Hall. 

Yes he has.  At this point Spence>Hall and it’s not even remotely close.

[Toomers]

26 minutes ago, Nails said:

Yes he has.  At this point Spence>Hall and it’s not even remotely close.

So there is the one advantage for TB. One backup DE. Great. How about the rest? 

If TB signs Hardy, they would shoot past us at light speed. 

[ChibCU]

15 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

We were third in the league in sacks last year. 2 10+ sack DEs. 2 pro bowl DTs. The question marks on our line come from depth, save peppers, who has proven time and time again he can beat Father Time. But sure, bc I disagree with you I’m in denial. Great joke you should use that all the time 

Didn't we also have a very boom or bust defensive scheme regarding blitzing? Scheme kinda impacts that number.