Game of Thrones - Season 8

[Bronn]

12 minutes ago, Still Brooklyn said:

I'm trying to think of any way Tyrion could betray Jon and Dany and I just can't think of anything. What can he do that would give Cersei the upperhand?

It might not be anything he does. It could be something they are led to believe he does. IE Cersei could set him up. But you'd think that Bran could see the truth in it.

I doubt it plays out like that, but I have seen that tossed around.

The biggest guess I have based on the "leakes" is that he ignites the wildfire himself, hoping to kill Cersei or something, and kills a bunch of innocent townsfolk in the process. Can't really rule over a kingdom of ashes.

That, or he does something that leads to the death of one of both of the dragons, or even Jon and/or Dany.

 

[CRA]

21 minutes ago, natty said:

Obviously something is going to happen but it's really not needed.  The dragons can destroy Euron's fleet and then all they have to do is siege KL and starve them out.  It doesn't matter if the GC is 20,000 or 200,00...they'll get torched fighting in an open battle with dragons.

Dany could of taken KL long ago.   They all know that.  Only reason she didn't is because she didn't want to kill all those people.  Now factor in her pairing w/ super good guy Jon Snow?   

Kings Landing is going to be hard for Dany/Snow and her dragons to take down...simply because of the human shield factor IMO.  

So the the next battle is likely much different IMO.  The dragons aren't really that effective in it because they aren't going there to destroy.  That would be easy.   

[Bronn]

Give Brienne and Tormund a castle. Maybe they'll get Tarth or the Eyrie. (where tf is Robin Arryn btw?)

Gendry/Arya to rule Winterfell/the North.

Sam and Gilly get Horn Hill/Highgarden.

Bronn gets the Twins (two castles!)

Jon and Dany retire to Dragonstone.

Sansa gets King's Landing.

Bran heads to Harrenhal, that haunted ass, creepy castle that matches his creepy ass character now.

Jaime or Tyrion, if they survive, get to go back the Casterly Rock.

Pod gets Dorne, and all those hot, sex crazed Dornish women.

The Hound becomes the High Septon.

The End.

[Squirrel]

50 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Give Brienne and Tormund a castle. Maybe they'll get Tarth or the Eyrie. (where tf is Robin Arryn btw?)

Gendry/Arya to rule Winterfell/the North.

Sam and Gilly get Horn Hill/Highgarden.

Bronn gets the Twins (two castles!)

Jon and Dany retire to Dragonstone.

Sansa gets King's Landing.

Bran heads to Harrenhal, that haunted ass, creepy castle that matches his creepy ass character now.

Jaime or Tyrion, if they survive, get to go back the Casterly Rock.

Pod gets Dorne, and all those hot, sex crazed Dornish women.

The Hound becomes the High Septon.

The End.

Dont see it.  Of the main characters Starks,lannisters, targaryens only 1 will survive imo.

Cersei will kill Dany

Dany will kill Sansa

Tyrion will try to kill Dany and get executed.

Jamie will be killed by the mountain

Cersei will be killed by Arya

Brandon will be killed by Dany

John will be killed by the Mountain

 

Arya will rule the throne with Gendrys baby.

 

 

 

 

 

[Still Brooklyn]

26 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Dont see it.  Of the main characters Starks,lannisters, targaryens only 1 will survive imo.

Cersei will kill Dany

Dany will kill Sansa

Tyrion will try to kill Dany and get executed.

Jamie will be killed by the mountain

Cersei will be killed by Arya

Brandon will be killed by Dany

John will be killed by the Mountain

 

Arya will rule the throne with Gendrys baby.

 

 

 

 

 

[Moorgan]

I was a bit concerned at first when the NK died. I figured that the whole show was about this battle and the resolution had to be at the end.

I've thought about it and I don't think that's the case. The dénouement was, in fact this battle, but as with most books there is an epilogue to sort out the affairs of the remaining characters. During this epilogue there is often conflict, tension and even action/death.

I use LOTR as an example. Sauron dies and there's still like at least 100 pages left which include the Scouring of the Shire (or whatever it was called). Same with the movie. There was quite a bit left to wrap up. So while yes the show's big bad guy has been defeated with 3 episodes left, these 3 episodes will wrap up the affairs of man and resolve the political side stories that were created along the way. So we get one more big battle (ep 5) and then final resolution. Next episode sets up the Battle of Kings Landing and then the dust settles in the final episode. Seems pretty straight forward from a literary perspective and not the same kind of ending a typical tv show would get.

We are conditioned in tv shows to literally end the show or the main story that was happening but in books we generally get more of the wrapping up of all the drama. Most books that I can think of don't end abruptly.  Not sure all that makes sense but those were my thoughts last night as I digested that awesome episode that was kinda hard to see.

[Pantha-kun]

I was questioning why so many main characters were still alive after that battle at winterfell. But I realized there are still 3 episodes left. It would probably not be very entertaining to see Cersei just continue to be queen with no challenge..

[Ja Rhule]

[Shocker]

How they take Cerci off the throne now will be interesting.  No army left right?  No dorthraki and no unsulled.

[Sapper]

9 hours ago, Moorgan said:

I was a bit concerned at first when the NK died. I figured that the whole show was about this battle and the resolution had to be at the end.

I've thought about it and I don't think that's the case. The dénouement was, in fact this battle, but as with most books there is an epilogue to sort out the affairs of the remaining characters. During this epilogue there is often conflict, tension and even action/death.

I use LOTR as an example. Sauron dies and there's still like at least 100 pages left which include the Scouring of the Shire (or whatever it was called). Same with the movie. There was quite a bit left to wrap up. So while yes the show's big bad guy has been defeated with 3 episodes left, these 3 episodes will wrap up the affairs of man and resolve the political side stories that were created along the way. So we get one more big battle (ep 5) and then final resolution. Next episode sets up the Battle of Kings Landing and then the dust settles in the final episode. Seems pretty straight forward from a literary perspective and not the same kind of ending a typical tv show would get.

We are conditioned in tv shows to literally end the show or the main story that was happening but in books we generally get more of the wrapping up of all the drama. Most books that I can think of don't end abruptly.  Not sure all that makes sense but those were my thoughts last night as I digested that awesome episode that was kinda hard to see.

PIE for using dénouement

[London Loves Luke]

Good battle episode, hoardes of wights and some nice character touches through the fighting scenes. 

But. The NK did not pay off. The biggest villian we've been fed since scene 1 ep 1 was not properly realised because we didnt see the full extent of his power, understand his motive or have any connection with him at all. Compare him to Thanos, we can relate to his motive, see his struggle, understand his strength (with and w/out the gauntlet) its all about HIM. With the NK we get a whole hoard of faceless dead people and it all gets blown away by a simple dagger to his chest by an assassin who (although Arya's character was developed 2 seasons ago) is a very inconsistent character in terms of her strength, ability, loyalty etc.... 

IF the battle had built up through the NKs strengths and how the "good guys" work through them and ended with a fight involving the NK, it would have been so much more satisfying. Some dialogue/flashbacks between the NK and Bran would have "humanised" him a bit, might of got us to understand what he wanted a lot more and then it all gets ripped away at the last minute. 

We should have seen the wights fight and the living start to get an upper hand (in all honesty they would have with better tactics plus use of the dragons). Then the white walkers get involved, with some scenes of NK + Bran "communicating", then the NK properly enters the fray and lays waste to everything (including John) before the long jump + stab.

But we got what we got, I dont care what anyone says but this wasnt a well written villain and the fight didn't provide as much emotion as it should have. Lets hope the next few episodes deliver.

[d-dave]

You have to think that Cersei is going to use her dragon killing weapons to kill one of Danny's dragons, I mean, it's been in the opening sequence all dang season.

Danny and Jon are going to meet with Cersei and attempt to talk it over with her.  Maybe even bring up the Iron Bank debt (the kingdom owes 10s of millions to the Iron Bank), she can go back to the rock with her brother, etc.  Cersei will play nice, then kill Danny, not knowing that Jon is the true heir to the Iron Throne.  We'll have Clegaine-bowl, and Arya will murder Cersei before she can escape.

Yeah, there's three good episodes there.  And we haven't even done anything with the Greyjoys.  Or seen what is the recovery for the North is.  

[CRA]

40 minutes ago, London Loves Luke said:

 

We should have seen the wights fight and the living start to get an upper hand (in all honesty they would have with better tactics plus use of the dragons). Then the white walkers get involved, with some scenes of NK + Bran "communicating", then the NK properly enters the fray and lays waste to everything (including John) before the long jump + stab.

But we got what we got, I dont care what anyone says but this wasnt a well written villain and the fight didn't provide as much emotion as it should have. Lets hope the next few episodes deliver.

IMO, the living should frankly never get the upper hand in the battle vs the wights/dead.  I mean the wight's have no regards for their safety and the Night King can continuously add to his army in fight w/ the newly deceased.  Unless you take out the Night King....mankind should of always been on the losing side in the battle.  Don't see how the living realistically should ever have the upper hand. 

But the Night King and White Walkers had 1 technical kill in the entire battle of all battles.  That is a joke.   The big bads did literally nothing. 

Too much plot armor at this point on main characters.  No reason in that battle at least half of the known folks shouldn't of died.   I think if they simply did that....the episode would have been better.  Game of Thrones has lost it's way in that regard.  Past few seasons have gone from anyone can die....to sike!  no one is going to die until it is painfully obvious there time has come. 

[Moorgan]

38 minutes ago, London Loves Luke said:

Good battle episode, hoardes of wights and some nice character touches through the fighting scenes. 

But. The NK did not pay off. The biggest villian we've been fed since scene 1 ep 1 was not properly realised because we didnt see the full extent of his power, understand his motive or have any connection with him at all. Compare him to Thanos, we can relate to his motive, see his struggle, understand his strength (with and w/out the gauntlet) its all about HIM. With the NK we get a whole hoard of faceless dead people and it all gets blown away by a simple dagger to his chest by an assassin who (although Arya's character was developed 2 seasons ago) is a very inconsistent character in terms of her strength, ability, loyalty etc.... 

IF the battle had built up through the NKs strengths and how the "good guys" work through them and ended with a fight involving the NK, it would have been so much more satisfying. Some dialogue/flashbacks between the NK and Bran would have "humanised" him a bit, might of got us to understand what he wanted a lot more and then it all gets ripped away at the last minute. 

We should have seen the wights fight and the living start to get an upper hand (in all honesty they would have with better tactics plus use of the dragons). Then the white walkers get involved, with some scenes of NK + Bran "communicating", then the NK properly enters the fray and lays waste to everything (including John) before the long jump + stab.

But we got what we got, I dont care what anyone says but this wasnt a well written villain and the fight didn't provide as much emotion as it should have. Lets hope the next few episodes deliver.

My understanding is that the NK is Death. There is no motive. There is nothing to understand. There is no perspective. He is death personified and while there is no depth to his character, he is the unstoppable force. He is a natural grinding away of life that feels unrelenting and unstoppable. There has only been one character in the entire show (aside from the NK) who has their entire character arc centered around killing. Arya.

You could debate how to increase drama and tension in the battle in order to maximize what you want, or what I wanted, etc. I personally wouldn't have given as much plot armor to many of the characters. Each corner of the keep seemed to have a star defending themselves surrounded by impossible odds but alas, it is what it is.

As for well written villains, the show runners indicated he's not anything more than a force of nature. He's never had a single line of dialogue. He's never explained his motivation. Just as you cannot explain the motivation of fundamental forces of nature. Super powerful villains are very hard to pull off with humanizing. Characters like Cersei, Tywin or Walder Frey are much easier to write as their interests and motivations can be relatable to the audience, thereby humanizing them. But when the motivation is to conquer life...there's not much there to relate to. You could argue that they made the fundamental mistake of making the NK completely unrelatable from the beginning. That making him a force of nature WAS the mistake. OK I can see that. I liked how they did it but we'll never know how it would've gone had they made different choices.

Regardless, I agree with you. I hope the next few episodes deliver and this amazing television ride ends satisfyingly. I expect it will.