Turner wants Newton to be more consistent

[acymetric]

1 hour ago, Pup McBarky said:

Not sure who thinks we should use the no huddle all the time, but it isn't me. The no huddle is a weapon like any other, with which one may conquer the enemy or shoot oneself in the foot. Norv, I suspect, is a better wielder of such a weapon, particular one that happens to have a rather unique ingredient (a 6' 4" 260 lb QB who runs faster than most LBs and many DBs), than Shula ever was, despite the success of 2015. Part of using any weapon on a football field is avoiding becoming predictable.

I think 10% is too infrequent and would suggest 20-25% of our offensive plays come from the no-huddle, but they have to be executed at the right time. Doing it only at the end of halves or games is too predictable. With Cam in the shotgun, the opportunity to create mismatches all over the field is just too good to pass up. We definitely need to use it more than last year.

You do understand why it is most typically done at the end of halves right?  2 minute drill is so named for a reason.

[Pup McBarky]

9 minutes ago, acymetric said:

You do understand why it is most typically done at the end of halves right?  2 minute drill is so named for a reason.

Please, tell me more.

[TheRed]

At this point it should just be about maximizing opportunities and making things as fluid as possible. Cam has undoubtedly had some accuracy issues from time to time over the years, we all know this, it isn't up for debate. But we've also seen what little margin for error he has had to work with more often than not in this passing offense, as in too regularly having to thread the needle like it's Madden, and even then the receiver still might whiff or just drop it. With the speed we have now there is no reason that we can't get better looks for our receivers or expect them to make plays as well to help out the QB.

Personally I'm more concerned with establishing our run game than I am whether Cam will step up. Even with practically no receivers last season he carried the offense and our run game to the playoffs. 

[Palmetto]

A consistently great Cam Newton would be the 3rd best Qb in the NFL after giving props to Brady and Rodgers

Glad Norv wants to teach Newton instead of an if its not broke dont fix it approach

I can remember Elway and Cunningham talking about coaches helping them get better even after they were already considered great players

 

[thefuzz]

14 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

A consistently great Cam Newton would be the 3rd best Qb in the NFL after giving props to Brady and Rodgers

Glad Norv wants to teach Newton instead of an if its not broke dont fix it approach

I can remember Elway and Cunningham talking about coaches helping them get better even after they were already considered great players

 

It was a different time, and QB's were judged differently back then...but when you get a minute go back and look at Elway's numbers...Strangely similar to our very own Cam Newton.  Handful of years were he just got over 60%, and had less of a TD % and more of an INT % than Cam does.

I have long stated that Cam is about as close to Elway as you can get, just has the luxury of playing in more of a "passing league" these days.

[Palmetto]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

It was a different time, and QB's were judged differently back then...but when you get a minute go back and look at Elway's numbers...Strangely similar to our very own Cam Newton.  Handful of years were he just got over 60%, and had less of a TD % and more of an INT % than Cam does.

I have long stated that Cam is about as close to Elway as you can get, just has the luxury of playing in more of a "passing league" these days.

Elway was the first Qb I thought of

And to be fair Elways line  RBs. and Wrs got better also 

[Toomers]

3 hours ago, thefuzz said:

It was a different time, and QB's were judged differently back then...but when you get a minute go back and look at Elway's numbers...Strangely similar to our very own Cam Newton.  Handful of years were he just got over 60%, and had less of a TD % and more of an INT % than Cam does.

I have long stated that Cam is about as close to Elway as you can get, just has the luxury of playing in more of a "passing league" these days.

  Slash is a very good comparison for.Cam. If you want feel even better, look at his numbers after Shanahan took over. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

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[panthers55]

9 hours ago, Pup McBarky said:

Not sure who thinks we should use the no huddle all the time, but it isn't me. The no huddle is a weapon like any other, with which one may conquer the enemy or shoot oneself in the foot. Norv, I suspect, is a better wielder of such a weapon, particular one that happens to have a rather unique ingredient (a 6' 4" 260 lb QB who runs faster than most LBs and many DBs), than Shula ever was, despite the success of 2015. Part of using any weapon on a football field is avoiding becoming predictable.

I think 10% is too infrequent and would suggest 20-25% of our offensive plays come from the no-huddle, but they have to be executed at the right time. Doing it only at the end of halves or games is too predictable. With Cam in the shotgun, the opportunity to create mismatches all over the field is just too good to pass up. We definitely need to use it more than last year.

I actually agree that we should use the no huddle when Cam is on a roll. You can see it with Cam. When he is on, he is on and he can make most all the throws. When he is off he presses and becomes too predictable. We also need to pass more with Cam under center. We only did that 60 times last year. So teams knew if Cam went under center we were running the ball. Way too easy to defend and predictable.

[panthers55]

16 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Was surprised by the difference in those 2017 huddle vs no huddle stats.

Does anyone have access to 2015 or 2016 data?  There have been times when Cam seemed to thrive on no huddle, but perhaps it is just selective memory making me think we were better in no huddle than the stats show.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2015_splits.htm

It has all kinds of comparisons you might find handy. And to your point the no huddle again was less effective in 2016 compared to using the huddle as you can see on the link. But you are also correct that the no huddle was more effective that being under center in 2015 almost 65% to 58% and over 9 yards an attempt to slightly more than 6 using the huddle 

[Panthers8969]

Idk if he tries to turn Cam into some Kirk cousins pussycat that’s scared to throw downfield it’s not going to end well. Gotta let the lion roar

[Pup McBarky]

7 hours ago, panthers55 said:

We also need to pass more with Cam under center. We only did that 60 times last year. So teams knew if Cam went under center we were running the ball. Way too easy to defend and predictable.

I couldn't agree more. Keep the defense guessing and reacting instead of attacking.