Rewatching the final sequence

[CarolinaCoolin]

On 10/14/2018 at 1:23 PM, Cary Kollins said:

Game was lost when Rivera punted on 4th and inches from the 50.

No it wasnt

[Green_Tea]

Should've focused on getting the first down instead of throwing two uncatchable passes to the endzone. Had plenty of time, two timeouts and five yards to go. Just get the first. 

[jtm]

On 10/16/2018 at 8:42 AM, JARROD said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Cam is 1 ahead of Aaron Rodgers, and within 4-4th quarter comebacks to be tied with the top 20 all time,..

hes been playing since 2011, thrown a hell of a lot of yards and touchdowns, hits progresssions, 4th quarter comebacks and passes pretty darn good,..

but people go back to the running thing every time,.. 

we just have a bad system fit for Cam— Shula and Norv are just too stiff and slow. He still gets comeback wins, has some impressive 4th quarter stats that people discard when it doesn’t fit their narrative(black quarterback)

Cam won’t really or ever flourish into all he can be until we get a Fast paced smooth playcaller in like a Pederson or someone.

 

The link you posted says Cam is the 71st ranked QB when it comes to 4th qtr comebacks.  Jake Delhomme is 31st ranked and Kerry Collins is 21st ranked to put it in perspective.  Brees is 6th and Matt Ryan is 11th according to your stat.  

If you are going to post a stat at least quote the correct information.  

[Cary Kollins]

I was begging for a coach to call a timeout on the 4th and 5 play. Entire play pre-snap felt off, especially after the two ugly plays before.

Maybe those two timeouts carry over to next game? No? Ok great.

[Lumps]

8 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

    Not one person in this thread has brought up the fact that on both 3rd, and 4th downs, Cam was getting pressured. It was one read, and throw it. He had no time to scan the field. But I guess that fact doesn't fit the narrative.

 

    Also, LOL at folks just knowing that even if we score, we would wind up losing. Ya gotta love folks that can be absolutely positive about future events.

In a game winning drive in the 4th, pressure is to be expected. What QBs in the NFL would not have experienced pressure? The line did fine, they aren’t perfect. A crap oline has been the narrative all along (even with me) with the no weapons thing and now here we are and this time it’s coaching (rightly so). Do you watch other NFL games or just the Panthers? It’s obvious...try watching a little of other teams, QBs make plays and throws with constant pressure all over the league.

Newton had a bad drive at the end of the game, so what it happens. Suck it up. It’s not really one of the big reasons we lost. It shouldn’t have come down to that. Three turnovers and god awful coaching.

Down 17 points and Rivera only knows ball control. He is so fixed on that clock to realize he’s handi capping this team. I honestly 100%, don’t even think this team could run a no huddle hurry up drive accross the field to save their lives.

The Panthers have invested in high powered offensive players. Their QB is also one of those players. You can’t simply do that kind of investing an hold on to ol River with Norv as an OC. It makes NO sense.

Cams shitty drive is peanuts when looking at mistakes and coaching in this game.

[JARROD]

28 minutes ago, jtm said:

The link you posted says Cam is the 71st ranked QB when it comes to 4th qtr comebacks.  Jake Delhomme is 31st ranked and Kerry Collins is 21st ranked to put it in perspective.  Brees is 6th and Matt Ryan is 11th according to your stat.  

If you are going to post a stat at least quote the correct information.  

Separating 71st from 21st is 10 comebacks,..71st to 24th is 4 comebacks. Small separations.

Did you notice that or did you just want to stir the pot?

I mean, read the entirety rather than nitpicking something like hack reporters do just to get clicks.

and actually the 63 yard kick technically gives Cam 15 now instead of 14. Look at how far 1 more comeback moves up,..

 

 

[jtm]

15 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Separating 71st from 21st is 10 comebacks,..71st to 24th is 4 comebacks. Small separations.

Did you notice that or did you just want to stir the pot?

I mean, read the entirety rather than nitpicking something like hack reporters do just to get clicks.

and actually the 63 yard kick technically gives Cam 15 now instead of 14. Look at how far 1 more comeback moves up,..

 

 

Not stirring the pot, just accurately quoting the link you provided.  The link you attached includes the 63 yard kick against NY this year, so you misquoted again.  

A 10 comeback separation is not small considering the guy your are defending only has 14 comeback wins.  In my opinion, the stats confirm what I believe and that Cam is not very good at 4th qtr. comebacks.  The Rodgers stat surprised me.    

[iamhubby1]

45 minutes ago, Lumps said:

In a game winning drive in the 4th, pressure is to be expected. What QBs in the NFL would not have experienced pressure? The line did fine, they aren’t perfect. A crap oline has been the narrative all along (even with me) with the no weapons thing and now here we are and this time it’s coaching (rightly so). Do you watch other NFL games or just the Panthers? It’s obvious...try watching a little of other teams, QBs make plays and throws with constant pressure all over the league.

Newton had a bad drive at the end of the game, so what it happens. Suck it up. It’s not really one of the big reasons we lost. It shouldn’t have come down to that. Three turnovers and god awful coaching.

Down 17 points and Rivera only knows ball control. He is so fixed on that clock to realize he’s handi capping this team. I honestly 100%, don’t even think this team could run a no huddle hurry up drive accross the field to save their lives.

The Panthers have invested in high powered offensive players. Their QB is also one of those players. You can’t simply do that kind of investing an hold on to ol River with Norv as an OC. It makes NO sense.

Cams shitty drive is peanuts when looking at mistakes and coaching in this game.

 

    Look at you getting all upset and defensive. "Cam's shitty drive". LOL He handled the pressure, until those last 2 downs. After all, Cam was 17-20 until then.The skins brought extra pressure on 3rd, and 4th down. And it worked. Cam had no time to scan the field. He took his original read, and went with it.

 

    The good thing about blaming everyone? You can be right every so often.

 

    I get it. You are upset with the team right now. Take a few days to decompress, then come back with fresh eyes. Maybe watch some basketball. Because, right now, your perspective is a tad askew. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mikeholiday]

23 minutes ago, jtm said:

Not stirring the pot, just accurately quoting the link you provided.  The link you attached includes the 63 yard kick against NY this year, so you misquoted again.  

A 10 comeback separation is not small considering the guy your are defending only has 14 comeback wins.  In my opinion, the stats confirm what I believe and that Cam is not very good at 4th qtr. comebacks.  The Rodgers stat surprised me.    

Thanks for letting us know that you are biased against Cam. Not sure why you are on this forum. 

That is a counting stat and is inherently biased towards those who have spent more years in the league. Cam is a relatively early into his career and will almost inevitably accrue more comebacks before the end of his career. 

[JARROD]

18 minutes ago, jtm said:

Not stirring the pot, just accurately quoting the link you provided.  The link you attached includes the 63 yard kick against NY this year, so you misquoted again.  

A 10 comeback separation is not small considering the guy your are defending only has 14 comeback wins.  In my opinion, the stats confirm what I believe and that Cam is not very good at 4th qtr. comebacks.  The Rodgers stat surprised me.    

Man I bet you are a star at parties. I totally disagree with the way you portrait and review the material,..

Cam having 14 comeback wins since 2011 is actually awesome if you look at the company there is and the number of seasons played but those around him.

next by the numbers of quarterbacks that all share a tie at each number.

you say 71 just to find a way to be negative and to stick someone just to brighten your day.

more accurate is to say he shares 14 with 10+ others, at 15 he would jump to a 58th tie with others,

4 more he jumps to tie for 21st. That accurate.

anyway, you are wrong.

that is all.

[Saca312]

On 10/14/2018 at 5:20 PM, Mr. Scot said:

But because of what I noted above, I think it was already decided that pass was headed for the end zone no matter who else was open (for the record, Funchess wasn't)

Yep.

That was actually another slot fade concept that the Panthers used with Funchess over there. Pre-snap Cam made the decision he liked the match-up and expected Funchess to win.

Unfortunately, Devin didn't win that. And since it was a pre-snap read, it was hard to change that afterwards. 

[jtm]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

Man I bet you are a star at parties. I totally disagree with the way you portrait and review the material,..

Cam having 14 comeback wins since 2011 is actually awesome if you look at the company there is and the number of seasons played but those around him.

next by the numbers of quarterbacks that all share a tie at each number.

you say 71 just to find a way to be negative and to stick someone just to brighten your day.

more accurate is to say he shares 14 with 10+ others, at 15 he would jump to a 58th tie with others,

4 more he jumps to tie for 21st. That accurate.

anyway, you are wrong.

that is all.

You misquote a stat to prove your point and I'm the bad guy for accurately quoting your stat.  Okay, makes sense.  

[bigdavis]

9 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

    Not one person in this thread has brought up the fact that on both 3rd, and 4th downs, Cam was getting pressured. It was one read, and throw it. He had no time to scan the field. But I guess that fact doesn't fit the narrative.

 

    Also, LOL at folks just knowing that even if we score, we would wind up losing. Ya gotta love folks that can be absolutely positive about future events.

More that they''re absolutely NEGATIVE about future events...

Had we won the game, these folks would still have nits to pick, about how it was won.  I don't see them as fans, so much as anonymous complainers, who get off on tearing things apart, as if they could do it better.  They're entitled to their opinions, but I just see the world -- and the Panthers -- and all I care about in life -- in a more positive and optimistic framework.  They can flame away at that attitude all they want; no effect on me.

I see Wins as a celebration; Losses as learning experiences.  The sun still rises.

[jtm]

21 minutes ago, mikeholiday said:

Thanks for letting us know that you are biased against Cam. Not sure why you are on this forum. 

That is a counting stat and is inherently biased towards those who have spent more years in the league. Cam is a relatively early into his career and will almost inevitably accrue more comebacks before the end of his career. 

Got it - anyone that is critical of Cam should stop being a Panther's fan.  This is Cam's 8th year in the NFL and most people would not call that "early in his career" but whatever.