FYI... Ron Rivera did not play for the field goal on final drive

[Wolfpack352]

Exactly.....We don't need to rely on kicker if Offense can finish the drive into the endzone more.  I would have given CMC the ball all three times, odds are good he would have gotten the first down eventually! 

[Camp Fodder]

My biggest with Ron isn’t the end of game play calls. It’s that his defense has turned to pure trash. That is why he needs to go

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

That's the part about not holding up.

You can choose this hill to die on if you like...your call...but it's a stupid one.

We had a more accurate, younger, cheaper NFL kicker on the roster, that we had just drafted and signed to a 4 year deal, and we went with the less accurate, older, much more expensive option.  That's bad roster management, something that Hurney has excelled at for over 10 years with the Panthers.

Butker has a legitimate chance at a Super Bowl ring.

Gano has a legitimate chance of finding a new address.

 

[Car123]

17 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

That's the part about not holding up.

You can choose this hill to die on if you like...your call...but it's a stupid one.

We had a more accurate, younger, cheaper NFL kicker on the roster, that we had just drafted and signed to a 4 year deal, and we went with the less accurate, older, much more expensive option.  That's bad roster management, something that Hurney has excelled at for over 10 years with the Panthers.

Who was the more accurate kicker last season? 

Hindsight is 20/20. Fact is it wouldn't have been wise to hand the starting job to a rookie kicker who had a poor training camp in a do or die season.

[pantherphan96]

35 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Not impressive. Need to see him hit some from 50+.

Still 3 XP misses... Gano misses one and hell breaks lose.

Gano has missed 3 XPs in far less attempts. Not really Butker's fault he's on a great offense that doesn't stall out around midfield. I'd rather have a kicker who is money from inside 50 yards than one who is unpredictable but can bang 60 yarders

[Car123]

7 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

Gano has missed 3 XPs in far less attempts. Not really Butker's fault he's on a great offense that doesn't stall out around midfield. I'd rather have a kicker who is money from inside 50 yards than one who is unpredictable but can bang 60 yarders

Butker missed 2 from under 50 last season. Missed a key fg in their playoff matchup (lost by one point). 

[thefuzz]

45 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Who was the more accurate kicker last season? 

Hindsight is 20/20. Fact is it wouldn't have been wise to hand the starting job to a rookie kicker who had a poor training camp in a do or die season.

You are wrong about this one, and so was Hurney.  Do you understand that the salary cap exists?  And that good players on rookie deals are like gold in the NFL?

 

[ericr0319]

8 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Short underneath routes are the same as a running play.  Seattle had stuffed the running game in the 4th quarter.

remember when we were down against Washington and we took shots at the end zone and everyone complained?

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

You are wrong about this one, and so was Hurney.  Do you understand that the salary cap exists?  And that good players on rookie deals are like gold in the NFL?

 

You bitch more about the Gano signing  than Munnerlyn's 21 million dollar contract. I wonder why 

[Car123]

At least Gano looks like he belongs in the NFL.

[pantherphan96]

50 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Butker missed 2 from under 50 last season. Missed a key fg in their playoff matchup (lost by one point). 

yeah and gano missed a 25 yard FG in the playoffs against the Saints. my point being that Butker is at least roughly equal to Gano and considerably cheaper.

[Mr. Scot]

54 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Butker missed 2 from under 50 last season. Missed a key fg in their playoff matchup (lost by one point). 

Here's the problem with your argument.

Even if we accept it every single premise you put forth (which we wouldn't, but hey) you've failed to show any significant superiority in Gano's performance. To be quite frankly, you've shown no superiority at all, much less anything major.

Given the differences in age and contract between the two, Gano would need to be demonstrably better than Butker to be worth keeping over him.

He isn't.

The end result is we gave more money to.an older guy who may not have many years left at this rate when we could have had a guy who was just as good, just starting his career and significantly cheaper.

Doesn't matter how much spin you put on it. That's lousy roster management.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, pantherphan96 said:

yeah and gano missed a 25 yard FG in the playoffs against the Saints. my point being that Butker is at least roughly equal to Gano and considerably cheaper.

I agree but hindsight is 20/20.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's the problem with your argument.

Even if we accept it every single promise you put forth, you failed to show any significant superiority in Gano's performance. To be quite frankly, you've shown no superiority at all, much less anything major.

Given the differences in age and contract between the two, Gano would need to be demonstrably better than Butker to be worth keeping over him.

He isn't.

The end result is we gave more money to.an older guy who may not have many years left at this rate when we could have had a guy who was just as good, just starting his career and significantly cheaper.

Doesn't matter how much spin you put on it. That's lousy roster management.

Reports state that Butker was crap in training camp. The staff didn't want a Tampa situation in a do or die season. Is that so hard to understand? If I knew that Butker would turn it around I would have cut Gano.