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There's a fine line between Cam criticism and taking for granted what you have as a football team which is a legitimate franchise QB. Money talks and teams clearly value this position:

Kirk Cousins - Fully guaranteed 3 year $84 million deal

Jimmy Garoppolo - 5 year $137.5 million $74.1M guaranteed
Aaron Rodgers- 4 year $134 million with $79.2M guaranteed

Or look what the Jets were willing to give up to trade for Sam Darnold - 6 overall pick, 2 2nd round picks, and a 2019 2nd round pick.

Quarterbacks are valuable and cannot be taken for granted. Where does Cam stand in all of this? He's not among the elite of the elite when you talk about Brees, Brady, Rodgers or Ben. But at the end of the day, this is only a group of 4 guys.

When you talk about that second tier of franchise QBs: Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz, Matthew Stafford Andrew Luck, Jared Goff, etc. etc......He's right in that mix with all of them. And these guys are not easy to find and teams are willing to take the shirts off of their backs to get one of them. 

These QBs can look like top 5-10 QBs one game but then 10-20 on another game. Consistent elite play across multiple seasons is what keeps them from being in that same category as the elite of the elite. So what you see Cam going through right now, is the same thing you'll see from Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, and Russell Wilson on occasion. They have their ups and downs but they are still quality starters in this league. We are just more familiar with Cam's mistakes because we watch him more closely every week.

I think Cam can be a franchise QB until he's in his mid 30s at least. He's shown big improvements in his decision making, has put up career highs in a lot of areas and his still playing his best ball despite these recent blunders at the ends of games. 

So as frustrated as you might be with this season, don't cross that line and forget what we have at QB. Myself gets pissed at cam but with my emotions to the side he is a great qb . I still think we draft a solid back up  to eventually replace him but this is how he stacked up against other qbs 

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There will be a big chunk of this fanbase that is in for a rude awakening in the post-Cam era unless we luck into another stud as Cam is winding down like the Packers did with Favre/Rodgers or the Niners did with Montana/Young. Most franchises spend a few years floundering pretty hard after losing their long-term franchise QB.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How many legit starting QBs are found as afterthoughts on the FA market? We got very little finding Jake. We're probably in for some rough years inmediately following Cam. 

We have to endure a rough year or two to get a replacement. That’s just how it works. I honestly expect 3-4 bad years once Cam is done. 

Lets just hope we find a russel Wilson 6th round pick a year before Cam is released. 

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3 minutes ago, Tbe said:

We have to endure a rough year or two to get a replacement. That’s just how it works. I honestly expect 3-4 bad years once Cam is done. 

Lets just hope we find a russel Wilson 6th round pick a year before Cam is released. 

Wilson was a 3rd rounder. Brady was the 6th rounder.

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I think some people don’t get it. It’s hard to find a franchise QB. Cam has given his all to this franchise and he is not done yet. The real issue this year is the defense. We will make moves to improve. I already like what I see from the young guys we have on offense under a new OC. Good times are ahead. And a Super Bowl will be ours soon..

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29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There will be a big chunk of this fanbase that is in for a rude awakening in the post-Cam era unless we luck into another stud as Cam is winding down like the Packers did with Favre/Rodgers or the Niners did with Montana/Young. Most franchises spend a few years floundering pretty hard after losing their long-term franchise QB.

We didn't luck into Cam, he was chosen with much thought. If it comes down to it, we will choose our next franchise QB with much thought (if we don't luck into one in the meantime).

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2 minutes ago, SpeedOFLight said:

I think some people don’t get it. It’s hard to find a franchise QB. Cam has given his all to this franchise and he is not done yet. The real issue this year is the defense. We will make moves to improve. I already like what I see from the young guys we have on offense under a new OC. Good times are ahead. And a Super Bowl will be ours soon..

We’ve had two big issues this year A poor defense and a qb with a weak shoulder who has struggled at crunch time. 

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1 minute ago, Mikey818 said:

We’ve had two big issues this year A poor defense and a qb with a weak shoulder who has struggled at crunch time. 

He will be fine going forward. He is a little beat up this year but there is always a good chance we win with him on the field. Get some rest this offense. Get a solid tackle for him and retool the d. We back in there 

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6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We didn't luck into Cam, he was chosen with much thought. If it comes down to it, we will choose our next franchise QB with much thought (if we don't luck into one in the meantime).

We lucked into Jake, not Cam. With Cam, we lucked into the #1 overall pick. We've had plenty of sucky seasons but only one #1 overall pick. Finding a franchise QB is hard. It's why every mediocre or better QB out there who comes up for a contract is getting $20M+ per year. Our chances of finding two back to back seamlessly is very slim. Montana/Young, Favre/Rodgers, and Manning/Luck are about the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

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