Panthers should keep Ron Rivera as HC

[beastson]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

what's my option over Ron? 

I mean, let's say we fire Ron and hire Hugh Jackson.  Give me Ron all day, any day.  Just saying fire Ron is pure emotion.  I mean I would support it if we could do better.  Much easier to do worse.  Look around the league.  He isn't bottom half.  

That's not our job. We have people in place to find better. Do your job.

I wish I could not do my job and think my manager won't fire me cause "what option do I have" mentality kick in, damn

And if we finish with a top 16 pick, that is bottom half. We're headed to top 10, twice in 3 years

[Shaqil915]

David Newton saying we should keep Rivera. 

 

 

Well, that settles it, we have to fire Ron Rivera.

 

 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

Thats a backwards way to think

"Maybe we should keep that guy who's OK at his job because we dont believe in our own ability to find the right guy"

The Eagles fired Reid got it wrong with Kelly and then found Peterson

or they could've stuck with Reid and be inconsistent has always because you know who are they going to find better than Andy Reid

 

I don't think it is backwards at all.  You fire a coach if he loses a team or if you can hire a better overall coach. There are not many NFL HCs in the league right now better than Ron.  So it is just a fact, it is easier for NFL teams to find worse than Ron Rivera. 

last 6 years assuming we miss the postseason this year.

We will have made the postseason in 4 of the last 6, with 3 division titles and a Super Bowl appearances.   I mean, you can run away from that and easily make the team worse.  Ron probably gets hired before we manage to find a new coach.   I got no beef with being critical of Ron.  I don't love the dude.  I just no there are a lot of shitty coaches in the NFL.  Ron is a good coach.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

well, we know he is a Pittsburgh guy.

Pitt has had 2 coaches in the last 25+ years.   They didn't fire Cowher when he missed the postseason 3 straight years prior to his Super Bowl win.   Tomlin has actually had some rocky times too. 

Pittsburgh also chose to hire those guys.

Rivera and Hurney are not guys Tepper hired himself.

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

what's my option over Ron? 

I mean, let's say we fire Ron and hire Hugh Jackson.  Give me Ron all day, any day.  Just saying fire Ron is pure emotion.  I mean I would support it if we could do better.  Much easier to do worse.  Look around the league.  He isn't bottom half.  

Did we know for certain that Ron Rivera was a better Coach than John Fox when we chose to make a change?

Should we have kept John Fox instead if we didn't?

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Did we know for certain that Ron Rivera was a better Coach than John Fox when we chose to make a change?

Should we have kept John Fox instead if we didn't?

or George Seifert, for that matter. Super Bowl-winning George Seifert

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, beastson said:

That's not our job. We have people in place to find better. Do your job.

I wish I could not do my job and think my manager won't fire me cause "what option do I have" mentality kick in, damn

And if we finish with a top 16 pick, that is bottom half. We're headed to top 10, twice in 3 years

this is the NFL.  it is a fairly limited pool of folks to choose from.  So limited that people frankly, fire coaches and make reaches because the pool is often so weak in terms of candidates for HC.   

I mean regardless of what you or I do for a living....there are COUNTLESS qualified people that likely could do our jobs.  Pool is simply big.  Simply isn't the case in the NFL. 

Ron's track record is simply in the upper tier of NFL coaches.  so yeah, I don't jump at the change for the sake of change mantra.   Lot of fan bases would LOVE to have Ron.   Lot of fanbases wish they could see a fraction of the success Ron has had here. 

How many other teams will be looking to hire? All that matters. 

Unless the team quits on Ron.  I'd rather fix the obvious issues with this team than get a new HC going into next year.  I'm also not ready to move on from Cam yet.  As I have said, Cam and Ron are a package deal IMO.  Doesn't mean Cam goes when Ron goes.  But that will be the beginning of the end more likely than not based on NFL history. 

 

 

[JARROD]

4 hours ago, usmcpanthers said:

 

 

I want some sharks with some Fricken Lazer Beams on their heads,...

 

[Carl Spackler]

Cam and Ron couldn't be further from a package deal. They're linked by having the same first season and that's all

[CRA]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Did we know for certain that Ron Rivera was a better Coach than John Fox when we chose to make a change?

Should we have kept John Fox instead if we didn't?

I think Ron is as better defensive mind than John Fox.  Therefore I have always viewed Ron as a slightly better HC.  They both were marginal HCs but Ron IMO brought more to the table in terms of defense.

further, Foxy in 2010 and Rivera in 2018 simply aren't comparable.  We had to get rid of Fox.  We essentially got rid of him before that season started.  Fox's career was done in Carolina after 2010 and he, the organization, and players all knew it.   

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I think Ron is as better defensive mind than John Fox.  Therefore I have always viewed Ron as a slightly better HC.  They both were marginal HCs but Ron IMO brought more to the table in terms of defense.

further, Foxy in 2010 and Rivera in 2018 simply aren't comparable.  We had to get rid of Fox.  We essentially got rid of him before that season started.  Fox's career was done in Carolina after 2010 and he, the organization, and players all knew it.   

Extremely different circumstances though.

John Fox basically demanded to be paid like one of the best coaches in the league when he hadn't earned it. The Panthers refused, and so Fox shut it down. He didn't actually end up being fired. It was just that they didn't renew his contract.

Rivera isn't tanking. He's trying his best, and failing.

I think you can really only make an argument for keeping Rivera if you agree to pair him with a better GM. All of his success stemmed from his time with Gettleman. Rivera and Hurney are about as successful a combo as Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin.

But with that said, if you hire a new GM, you have to let him make the decision on Rivera. Forcing him to keep a head coached he didn't hire is no different then what Richardson did.

[bobsfoodbasics]

Ron is a defensive coach and the defense is not getting the job done.

Ron has 5 losing seasons out of 8 as head coach.

The players have given up on him.

The team has lost 5 straight games.

How could anyone do any worse?

[Sasquatch]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Didn’t realize how much Jerry screwed Tepper with the extensions before the sale.

Tina Becker

[juliosantos]

And we should trade cam to the saints with your logic buddy