Concerns about Newton's future...

[Silent Majority]

Just now, Shocker said:

Some people just can’t get there heads around this team with no Cam.  Better start getting ready for reality cupcakes.

At least pretend to be functional. If you are playing the tough guy, be smart enough to change your avi, might help your weird psudeo flex. 

[beastson]

All I know is his shoulder lasted last season

Broke down this season

There's some positive in this somewhere. Cam need to look elsewhere for treatment and help. Get rid of Vermillion and his staff

[Lumps]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

I say we fix our OL first and foremost. 

We have a weak OL and Cam has made it look less weak for a long time.  Add a legit pocket passer and he won't develop right behind our OL

We have an average Oline according to pretty much every stat in the book. Perhaps inconsistent and unpredictable are better words than weak.

And I'd argue Cam has made them look worse due to poor footwork, holding on the the ball for as long as he does and probably the biggest factor, his size and mobility. 7 steps for Cam probably cover at least 10 from a QB like Brees for example.

Now if we talk about his career as a whole, I'll get on board. Especiall pre-2015, when this franchise did absolutely jack poo for his oline.

I am not against drafting Oline. That said, I say what I always have. Cam is  a big playmaker who takes chances and MUST have a defense to succeed. Pass rush is #1 priority over oline.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Silent Majority said:

At least pretend to be functional. If you are playing the tough guy, be smart enough to change your avi, might help your weird psudeo flex. 

Partial truth here, though: There is going to come a time when Cam Newton isn't the quarterback of the Panthers anymore (there always was).

Most of us thought that time was several years away. The possibility now exists that it might be closer than we believed.

We may not want that to be true, but the reality is that's not our choice.

And when the time comes, as harsh as it may sound, we have to hope that the Panthers handle it in the best way possible.

[Shocker]

6 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

At least pretend to be functional. If you are playing the tough guy, be smart enough to change your avi, might help your weird psudeo flex. 

No need to respond cupcake

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, Lumps said:

We have an average Oline according to pretty much every stat in the book.

And I'd argue Cam has made them look due to footwork, holding on the the ball for as long as he does and probably the biggest factor, his size and mobility. 7 steps for Cam probably cover at least 10 from a QB like Brees for example.

Now if we talk about his career as a whole, I'll get on board. Especiall pre-2015, when this franchise did absolutely jack poo for his oline.

I am not against drafting Oline. That said, I say what I always have. Cam is  a big playmaker who takes chances and MUST have a defense to succeed. Pass rush is #1 priority over oline.

that is stats.  like I said, they have Cam Newton behind them.  Which means they can blow an assignment.....a rusher can get to Cam.  He can shrug it off, he can make moves others QBs can't.....and a successful play can still occur.   We also aren't talking just pass protection.  Cam aids their run blocking view as well.  Because on every handoff....a defense is playing Cam as a runner.   

Cam aids their performance because he is unqiue.  He also allowed the franchise to neglect the line because he can survive in scenarios others can't. 

Change QBs....the OLs stats change.  They get dinged with allowing more hits, pressure, sacks, etc and they get worse in run blocking. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, The Lobo said:

I don’t understand. Before he got injured he was 15 TD and 4 INTs and being talked about as an MVP. Then he gets hurt and declines a little and now everyone wants him to leave. Everyone just calm down, get him healthy and we will be fine.

Overreaction by everyone.

[bobsfoodbasics]

The Panthers were going to need a new young QB in a few years anyways. Nothing wrong with them taking a look at younger QB's in the next few drafts, even if that means in the first round.

Unless his arm is completely shot, Cam will be the starting QB for the Panthers in 2019.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

agreed, there's nothing unique about this. a football player is hurt and will need time and maybe surgery to recover. he may not recover, though that would certainly be unusual. there's no reason to believe that this injury is exceptional. the story here is the organization's unwillingness up to this point to allow him to get healthy. the organization's unwillingness to protect him. conversations about the future shouldn't be about drafting a replacement. the future should be about allowing him to recover and putting him in a position that won't obviously lead to another injury. that starts with modernizing the FO and getting rid of a coaching staff that is hostile toward him.

and who's telling you this about cam newton? he's currently on track to miss 2 games, though ron "i would have taken a shot too" rivera STILL hasn't ruled out the possibility of cam playing again this season.

the importance of the position and the quality of player we're discussing is also why you shouldn't rush to judgment. days after an injured cam is shut down the talk becomes "life after cam" for a reason, and that reason isn't "because it's in the best interest of the organization and cam newton"

well actually moving on from this trash organization might be in the best interest of cam. hopefully tepper proves me wrong.

Rivera's handling of an injured Newton is one of many complaints I have against him. You're the head coach. If you tell a player to sit down, that player doesn't tell you no...Unless you're not strong enough to actually be a head coach.

As to Newton's health, all I know is the same thing any of us know. The Panthers have concerns about his future going forward. What they find out or what those concerns turn into, not a single one of us can predict. The only thing we know for certain is that we have to plan just in case the worst happens.

Where I disagree is in continuing to label the team as a "trash" organization. The Panthers used to be an organization with a trash owner, but they're not anymore. Unfortunately, a few of the remnants remain, but here's hoping that changes too.

Ultimately, there's no better way to summarize it than this: I hope for the best, but I'm also prepared for the worst.

And frankly, that's exactly how I hope the team approaches it as well.

 

[X-Clown]

10 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

the importance of the position and the quality of player we're discussing is also why you shouldn't rush to judgment. days after an injured cam is shut down the talk becomes "life after cam" for a reason, and that reason isn't "because it's in the best interest of the organization and cam newton"

well actually moving on from this trash organization might be in the best interest of cam. hopefully tepper proves me wrong.

I'm hoping Tepper is better than our fanbase. The fact that I've heard people in the last few weeks arguing that Jake Delhomme was a better QB for us than Cam speaks to how many delusional people are in our ranks.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

richardson was a problem obviously but he had his fingerprints all over the org and left them there. once tepper cleans house i will come around.

I'm hoping for the same thing.

There are rumblings that it might not be a complete house cleaning. It's very possible that Marty Hurney gets replaced but Ron Rivera doesn't. It's also at least conceivably possible that nothing changes at all (that's Darin Gannt's current take).

If that happens...

[bobsfoodbasics]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm hoping for the same thing.

There are rumblings that it might not be a complete house cleaning. It's very possible that Marty Hurney gets replaced but Ron Rivera doesn't. It's also at least conceivably possible that nothing changes at all (that's Darin Gannt's current take).

If that happens...

It will be a complete house cleaning. From top to bottom. 

The decisions up top have already been made and a GM search has been underway for a few weeks now.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, bobsfoodbasics said:

It will be a complete house cleaning. From top to bottom. 

The decisions up top have already been made and a GM search has been underway for a few weeks now.

Don't know anything about any of that.

I do know that Joe Douglas, the guy Kyle Bailey mentioned as a possible GM option, would be a home run choice.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm hoping for the same thing.

There are rumblings that it might not be a complete house cleaning. It's very possible that Marty Hurney gets replaced but Ron Rivera doesn't. It's also at least conceivably possible that nothing changes at all (that's Darin Gannt's current take).

If that happens...

If Tep doesn't clean house, I'm not sure that I'm OK with him buying the team.

This place is in need of a good scrub down.