Breer believes the Panthers will make no changes

[Car123]

7 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is where I am.  We have no clue what to expect from Tepper, as should be the case.  However, he did state that he "wanted to win" when he held his first press conference.

Ron Rivera: .549 as a head coach.

Marty Hurney:  .481 with 3 winning seasons out of 12.

Tells me Ron is Average, an Marty is below average.

That 3 winning seasons out of 12 is misleading and you know it.

[davos]

It's a "what have you done for me lately" league and we've lost 7 straight.  Rivera likely did what he does best and behind the scenes through the players under the bus to save his as$.  And I guarantee Hurney has been trying to schmooz Tepper.  

This season straight up sucks but have accepted Rivera is here for at least another.  Hurney will stay.  Tepper will probably have like one presser at season's end to ease some minds.  The casuals will be fine with it.  

If that does not happen, then I will be pleasantly surprised but we are cursed with these bojanglers.  

[AceBoogie]

You can’t keep firing everyone around Ron and not fire Ron

[thefuzz]

17 minutes ago, Car123 said:

That 3 winning seasons out of 12 is misleading and you know it.

How, exactly?

[thefuzz]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/executives/HurnMa0.htm

 

@Car123

I'll even make it easy for ya.

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

How, exactly?

We went 7-9 in 2002 (Hurney's first season), in 2001 we set the record for most loses in a row. 2002 was a success - built on that success with a super bowl appearance the following year.

2004 - season ending injuries to Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins (best DT at the time), Stephen Davis, DeShaun Foster. We had a nice second half of the season; finished one game out of the playoffs. With those players we would have made the playoffs.

2007 - lost prime Jake Delhomme early in the season. Equivalent to losing Cam early and expecting Heinicke to lead us to the playoffs.

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We went 7-9 in 2002 (Hurney's first season), in 2001 we set the record for most loses in a row. 2002 was a success - built on that success with a super bowl appearance the following year.

2004 - season ending injuries to Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins (best DT at the time), Stephen Davis, DeShaun Foster. We had a nice second half of the season; finished one game out of the playoffs. With those players we would have made the playoffs.

2007 - lost prime Jake Delhomme early in the season. Equivalent to losing Cam early and expecting Heinicke to lead us to the playoffs.

So...3 winning seasons out of 12.

 

Got it.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Like you'd trust Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and Mike Brown?

I mean hey, they made money, so that shows aptitude.

I'm not convinced, but maybe if you write a wall of text I'll think about it.

 

Once again extreme characterization. I trust Kraft, Luria, Rooney and others. Hey they made money and have winning teams. You can point out good or bad owners but because some are bad doesn't mean all are bad or that Tepper is. He has more ownership experience than most new owners. The only thing that changed is he disagreed with you like many have.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Once again extreme characterization. I trust Kraft, Luria, Rooney and others. Hey they made money and have winning teams. You can point out good or bad owners but because some are bad doesn't mean all are bad or that Tepper is. He has more ownership experience than most new owners. The only thing that changed is he disagreed with you like many have.

Which part has Tepper disagreed with?  And when did he tell anyone?

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Which part has Tepper disagreed with?  And when did he tell anyone?

You and Scott wanted Rivera and Hurney gone. They are staying. Tepper doesn't have to say anything unless there is a change 

[SOJA]

first off: fug albert breer. He's the dude who recently had a poo tastic tweet about Cam's outfit. 

second: I've been a die hard fan forever. Since I was in the fifth grade (I'm 28 now) I haven't missed a game. 

However, this is my final straw. I'll still watch games. I'll still follow the draft (love the draft) but us bringing back Ron. Nah. I'm done financially supporting this team until real changes are made and we stop wasting Cam's prime with someone that hasn't improved since he's gotten here. He is a terrible in game coach and is stubborn beyond belief that has lost us football games and risked Cam's longterm health.  

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Does Tepper understand it if he chooses not to make changes?

It's pretty damn easy to turn a profit holding the Panthers, JR knew this, and continued to give us trash on the field...if Tepper does this as well?  He too is a loser.  We shall see.

We KNOW that Hurney is a loser...that's pretty easy to see.  W's vs. L's in his career.  This isn't grey, this is black and white.

 

So unless Tepper agrees with you he is a loser.... 

 

Right......

[Car123]

11 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

So...3 winning seasons out of 12.

 

Got it.

There is something called context.

[SOJA]

I said last year when Shula was canned and it's still true today. Shula was a symptom. Rivera is the disease. You can't heal someone by just treating their symptoms, you have to cut out the disease.